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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2006/12/krillard/comment-page-3/#comment-1584</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boris: The litigation was commenced in a jurisdiction where champerty/maintenence has been abolished. &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champerty" rel="nofollow"&gt;This page&lt;/a&gt;, although poorly written, gives the gist of the legal principle involved. Abbott's behaviour falls squarely in the category of financing a law suit in which he had no legitimate interest.

The common law principle standing behind champerty is very old: the law is public, and litigants should be willing to put their names to actions. If they are unwilling to do this, then &lt;i&gt;prima facie&lt;/i&gt; they are unwilling to face the judicial process while expecting their opponents to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boris: The litigation was commenced in a jurisdiction where champerty/maintenence has been abolished. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champerty" rel="nofollow">This page</a>, although poorly written, gives the gist of the legal principle involved. Abbott&#8217;s behaviour falls squarely in the category of financing a law suit in which he had no legitimate interest.</p>
<p>The common law principle standing behind champerty is very old: the law is public, and litigants should be willing to put their names to actions. If they are unwilling to do this, then <i>prima facie</i> they are unwilling to face the judicial process while expecting their opponents to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hill</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2006/12/krillard/comment-page-3/#comment-1583</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graham - people are now going overseas looking for work on work visas (a very insecure situation itself) because of job insecurity here?

Besides the few people who have already been fired (such as the few people rounded up the for Your Rights At Work campaign) who is actually at risk of losing their job, as opposed to just perceiving this?

What people know for sure is they have cradle to the grave high personal income taxes here, which cut in very early.

For a very long time, we had a brain drain due to high taxation of personal income. Taxes are still the same for high income earners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graham - people are now going overseas looking for work on work visas (a very insecure situation itself) because of job insecurity here?</p>
<p>Besides the few people who have already been fired (such as the few people rounded up the for Your Rights At Work campaign) who is actually at risk of losing their job, as opposed to just perceiving this?</p>
<p>What people know for sure is they have cradle to the grave high personal income taxes here, which cut in very early.</p>
<p>For a very long time, we had a brain drain due to high taxation of personal income. Taxes are still the same for high income earners.</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2006/12/krillard/comment-page-3/#comment-1582</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The two are almost identical, CL, and as far as I'm aware she had no financial sugar daddy. John Pasquarelli was something of a 'svengali', but even he was stunned at how little money Hanson's support base had (I had this conversation with him quite recently, in fact), and how wretched many of them were.

Interestingly, Hanson herself disliked the white power loons who projected their antipathy towards the world in general and minorities in particular onto her, and one of the reasons for ONP's odd structure was to keep them out of the organisation.

No, Abbott behaved very badly, and there is no excuse for his behaviour, although he was aided by other individuals and bodies - of which the DPP was one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The two are almost identical, CL, and as far as I&#8217;m aware she had no financial sugar daddy. John Pasquarelli was something of a &#8217;svengali&#8217;, but even he was stunned at how little money Hanson&#8217;s support base had (I had this conversation with him quite recently, in fact), and how wretched many of them were.</p>
<p>Interestingly, Hanson herself disliked the white power loons who projected their antipathy towards the world in general and minorities in particular onto her, and one of the reasons for ONP&#8217;s odd structure was to keep them out of the organisation.</p>
<p>No, Abbott behaved very badly, and there is no excuse for his behaviour, although he was aided by other individuals and bodies - of which the DPP was one.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Bell</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2006/12/krillard/comment-page-3/#comment-1581</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rog [post 129]:
I see .... you can just ring up talk-back radio and have your comment put to air, just like that, can you?  .....hhmmmm ..... that's interesting ...... now, can I sell you several thousand tonnes of good quality scrap steel at a giveaway price, as is where is (currently located between Milson's Point and The Rocks) :-)

I've never had any difficulty commenting on talk-back radio whenever I have wanted to (which is rarely) but in that I am luckier than others .... every talk-back radio show has a very tight gatekeeping system; nothing gets through - or lasts more than a few seconds - unless it conforms to very narrow criteria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rog [post 129]:<br />
I see &#8230;. you can just ring up talk-back radio and have your comment put to air, just like that, can you?  &#8230;..hhmmmm &#8230;.. that&#8217;s interesting &#8230;&#8230; now, can I sell you several thousand tonnes of good quality scrap steel at a giveaway price, as is where is (currently located between Milson&#8217;s Point and The Rocks) <img src='http://skepticlawyer.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I&#8217;ve never had any difficulty commenting on talk-back radio whenever I have wanted to (which is rarely) but in that I am luckier than others &#8230;. every talk-back radio show has a very tight gatekeeping system; nothing gets through - or lasts more than a few seconds - unless it conforms to very narrow criteria.</p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2006/12/krillard/comment-page-3/#comment-1580</link>
		<dc:creator>Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Moreover, as a general principle, I donâ€™t think we should get too carried away with assigning victim status to anyone whose electoral/financial affairs are ruthlessly scrutinised."

If evidence is made up or is tempered with then someone must be held responsible. Mistakes are one thing, but malicious intent is another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Moreover, as a general principle, I donâ€™t think we should get too carried away with assigning victim status to anyone whose electoral/financial affairs are ruthlessly scrutinised.&#8221;</p>
<p>If evidence is made up or is tempered with then someone must be held responsible. Mistakes are one thing, but malicious intent is another.</p>
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		<title>By: C.L.</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2006/12/krillard/comment-page-3/#comment-1579</link>
		<dc:creator>C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the allegation is maintenance, not champerty, and Hanson had a sugar-daddy of her own as I recall. A court case might become a tug of war that Hanson &#38; Co. would prefer to avoid for that and other reasons. These torts are considered anachronistic in several jurisdictions now, though, are they not? Probably wiser to blame the DPP rather than Abbott. Moreover, as a general principle, I don't think we should get too carried away with assigning victim status to anyone whose electoral/financial affairs are ruthlessly scrutinised.

I agree that Hanson broke the spell of insipid politically correct sanctimony and that her right to free speech must be insisted on by all.

Like what she says or lump it.

Likewise, people who wish to mercilessly ridicule her views - including her antediluvian economic claptrap - should feel free to get stuck in and not go easy because she's the bonza brave bird of Margo Kingston's imagination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the allegation is maintenance, not champerty, and Hanson had a sugar-daddy of her own as I recall. A court case might become a tug of war that Hanson &amp; Co. would prefer to avoid for that and other reasons. These torts are considered anachronistic in several jurisdictions now, though, are they not? Probably wiser to blame the DPP rather than Abbott. Moreover, as a general principle, I don&#8217;t think we should get too carried away with assigning victim status to anyone whose electoral/financial affairs are ruthlessly scrutinised.</p>
<p>I agree that Hanson broke the spell of insipid politically correct sanctimony and that her right to free speech must be insisted on by all.</p>
<p>Like what she says or lump it.</p>
<p>Likewise, people who wish to mercilessly ridicule her views - including her antediluvian economic claptrap - should feel free to get stuck in and not go easy because she&#8217;s the bonza brave bird of Margo Kingston&#8217;s imagination.</p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2006/12/krillard/comment-page-3/#comment-1578</link>
		<dc:creator>Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"â€œTony Abbott permanently lost my respect after the â€˜Australians for Honest Politics Trustâ€™, setting the instrument up in NSW, the only jurisdiction where champerty has been abolished.â€

I don't quite understand why he has not been sued and/or prosecuted for perverting the course of justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;â€œTony Abbott permanently lost my respect after the â€˜Australians for Honest Politics Trustâ€™, setting the instrument up in NSW, the only jurisdiction where champerty has been abolished.â€</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t quite understand why he has not been sued and/or prosecuted for perverting the course of justice.</p>
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		<title>By: GMB</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2006/12/krillard/comment-page-3/#comment-1577</link>
		<dc:creator>GMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Tony Abbott permanently lost my respect after the â€˜Australians for Honest Politics Trustâ€™, setting the instrument up in NSW, the only jurisdiction where champerty has been abolished."

Yeah that was nasty stuff wasn't it.

But you know. I think if he knew the outrageous outcome of this action I doubt that he would have gone through with it.

I don't make it that he's like that really.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tony Abbott permanently lost my respect after the â€˜Australians for Honest Politics Trustâ€™, setting the instrument up in NSW, the only jurisdiction where champerty has been abolished.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah that was nasty stuff wasn&#8217;t it.</p>
<p>But you know. I think if he knew the outrageous outcome of this action I doubt that he would have gone through with it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t make it that he&#8217;s like that really.</p>
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		<title>By: GMB</title>
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		<dc:creator>GMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She's back.

Good stuff.

Good to see that she didn't let these commie-witch-hunters stop her from going back into politics.

Imagine actually putting this woman in prison.

They'd do it to all of us if they could no doubt.

Perversely I think her influence has done brilliant things for this country. Not that her ideas had all that merit in and of themselves. But the reaction too them in the main parties to neutralise her seemed to break the multi-culti spell.

And now, because of this, we are a mentally freer country then places like France, Britain or even many Blue-State areas of the States.

This multi-culti business was a real nasty piece of work. Very hard to tie down but a real killer.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s back.</p>
<p>Good stuff.</p>
<p>Good to see that she didn&#8217;t let these commie-witch-hunters stop her from going back into politics.</p>
<p>Imagine actually putting this woman in prison.</p>
<p>They&#8217;d do it to all of us if they could no doubt.</p>
<p>Perversely I think her influence has done brilliant things for this country. Not that her ideas had all that merit in and of themselves. But the reaction too them in the main parties to neutralise her seemed to break the multi-culti spell.</p>
<p>And now, because of this, we are a mentally freer country then places like France, Britain or even many Blue-State areas of the States.</p>
<p>This multi-culti business was a real nasty piece of work. Very hard to tie down but a real killer.</p>
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		<title>By: rog</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2006/12/krillard/comment-page-3/#comment-1575</link>
		<dc:creator>rog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hanson is only spruiking her book, "please.explain."

â€œI come here not as a polished politician but as a woman who has had her fair share of life's knocks.â€

Should be a ripping yarn, eh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hanson is only spruiking her book, &#8220;please.explain.&#8221;</p>
<p>â€œI come here not as a polished politician but as a woman who has had her fair share of life&#8217;s knocks.â€</p>
<p>Should be a ripping yarn, eh.</p>
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