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		<title>By: FDB</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2006/12/voluntary-euthanasia-a-musical-plea/#comment-1830</link>
		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't talk to me except to apologise, Graeme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t talk to me except to apologise, Graeme.</p>
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		<title>By: GMB</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2006/12/voluntary-euthanasia-a-musical-plea/#comment-1829</link>
		<dc:creator>GMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 12:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"57.  Jason Soon  &#124;  December 8th, 2006 at 2:18 pm
so JC, GMB and RL are all paternalists."

No thats bullshit. You've just gone Cuckoo because I've gone and encroached on your David Hume religiosity.

I'll bet you this time its you and not skeptic that put the admin message up.

You know how I know this?

Once I start laying into your David Hume personal religion you are likely to experience such severe cognitive dissonance that you'll throw any distraction up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;57.  Jason Soon  |  December 8th, 2006 at 2:18 pm<br />
so JC, GMB and RL are all paternalists.&#8221;</p>
<p>No thats bullshit. You&#8217;ve just gone Cuckoo because I&#8217;ve gone and encroached on your David Hume religiosity.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll bet you this time its you and not skeptic that put the admin message up.</p>
<p>You know how I know this?</p>
<p>Once I start laying into your David Hume personal religion you are likely to experience such severe cognitive dissonance that you&#8217;ll throw any distraction up.</p>
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		<title>By: GMB</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2006/12/voluntary-euthanasia-a-musical-plea/#comment-1828</link>
		<dc:creator>GMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 12:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"And all Iâ€™m saying is that VOLUNTARY euthanasia should be legislated for in some form.
Obviously you donâ€™t trust doctors or the government with your life. Fair enough too. Why then do you oppose a law that gives YOU (or your next of kin even) the power to make the choice?"

Its nothing to do with personal fears you idiot.

Its about the reality of doctors and governments.

Humphreys been suffering from this self-same mental defficiency.

One minute you'll be talking about public policy and the next minute the dumb bugger starts claiming that its not public policy its personal fear.

Now there is just no laws proposed about Euthanasia that don't involve a hospital situation and the doctors having this power.

When such an idea comes up one might consider it on its merits.

But why do we need a law to commit suicide.

It might be better with a with a pharmacist and a JP or something. Who knows.

But keep the Doctors, for the love on non-fascists everywhere, out of it.

Its got nothing to fucking do with anyones personal fears...

Right?

You got that?

Its about not being a fascist and having some concern for public standards and the and the maintenance of a high implied value of human life.

This idea that people die in great pain is all bullshit anyway.

Even in a country town you can get good palliative care to chase the pain away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And all Iâ€™m saying is that VOLUNTARY euthanasia should be legislated for in some form.<br />
Obviously you donâ€™t trust doctors or the government with your life. Fair enough too. Why then do you oppose a law that gives YOU (or your next of kin even) the power to make the choice?&#8221;</p>
<p>Its nothing to do with personal fears you idiot.</p>
<p>Its about the reality of doctors and governments.</p>
<p>Humphreys been suffering from this self-same mental defficiency.</p>
<p>One minute you&#8217;ll be talking about public policy and the next minute the dumb bugger starts claiming that its not public policy its personal fear.</p>
<p>Now there is just no laws proposed about Euthanasia that don&#8217;t involve a hospital situation and the doctors having this power.</p>
<p>When such an idea comes up one might consider it on its merits.</p>
<p>But why do we need a law to commit suicide.</p>
<p>It might be better with a with a pharmacist and a JP or something. Who knows.</p>
<p>But keep the Doctors, for the love on non-fascists everywhere, out of it.</p>
<p>Its got nothing to fucking do with anyones personal fears&#8230;</p>
<p>Right?</p>
<p>You got that?</p>
<p>Its about not being a fascist and having some concern for public standards and the and the maintenance of a high implied value of human life.</p>
<p>This idea that people die in great pain is all bullshit anyway.</p>
<p>Even in a country town you can get good palliative care to chase the pain away.</p>
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		<title>By: Bring Back CL's Blog</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2006/12/voluntary-euthanasia-a-musical-plea/#comment-1827</link>
		<dc:creator>Bring Back CL's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 09:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree but it was written for Easter!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree but it was written for Easter!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2006/12/voluntary-euthanasia-a-musical-plea/#comment-1826</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 07:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RL -- "As â€œKâ€ Clark said, Handelâ€™s â€œMessiahâ€ is one of those rare great works that appeals to people of all conditions, even Metallica fans."

Yes indeed. Kwame Nkrumah, the first leader of independent Ghana, said the same thing: Handel's Messiah isn't for just the Brits or the Africans, it's for everyone.

I'd say the same of Bach's Mass in B Minor. You should try it, sl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RL &#8212; &#8220;As â€œKâ€ Clark said, Handelâ€™s â€œMessiahâ€ is one of those rare great works that appeals to people of all conditions, even Metallica fans.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes indeed. Kwame Nkrumah, the first leader of independent Ghana, said the same thing: Handel&#8217;s Messiah isn&#8217;t for just the Brits or the Africans, it&#8217;s for everyone.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say the same of Bach&#8217;s Mass in B Minor. You should try it, sl.</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2006/12/voluntary-euthanasia-a-musical-plea/#comment-1825</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 06:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harvester=one of my all time favourite songs. That said, &lt;i&gt;One&lt;/i&gt; - especially the clip - is genuinely thought-provoking and a great conversation starter - here we are, nearly a 100 posts on a YouTube vid. And a lot of it pretty good stuff, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harvester=one of my all time favourite songs. That said, <i>One</i> - especially the clip - is genuinely thought-provoking and a great conversation starter - here we are, nearly a 100 posts on a YouTube vid. And a lot of it pretty good stuff, too.</p>
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		<title>By: fatfingers</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2006/12/voluntary-euthanasia-a-musical-plea/#comment-1824</link>
		<dc:creator>fatfingers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 06:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FDB, agree totally it is not one of Metallica's best attempts. Harvester tops it on Justice as well as Blackened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FDB, agree totally it is not one of Metallica&#8217;s best attempts. Harvester tops it on Justice as well as Blackened.</p>
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		<title>By: C.L.</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2006/12/voluntary-euthanasia-a-musical-plea/#comment-1823</link>
		<dc:creator>C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 06:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catholics do not believe we "must ALWAYS struggle to keep people alive". Heroic, excessive and superfluous medical treatment are not hallmarks of Catholic palliative care.

FDB, if you're going to cite me, try to educate yourself about what people like me actually believe. Otherwise, humbly bail out of discussing a subject you don't fully grasp.

As for your self-description above, I wouldn't call you an idealist. I'd call you an angry clown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catholics do not believe we &#8220;must ALWAYS struggle to keep people alive&#8221;. Heroic, excessive and superfluous medical treatment are not hallmarks of Catholic palliative care.</p>
<p>FDB, if you&#8217;re going to cite me, try to educate yourself about what people like me actually believe. Otherwise, humbly bail out of discussing a subject you don&#8217;t fully grasp.</p>
<p>As for your self-description above, I wouldn&#8217;t call you an idealist. I&#8217;d call you an angry clown.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2006/12/voluntary-euthanasia-a-musical-plea/#comment-1822</link>
		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 05:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not Metallica's best, even on that album IMHO.

Give me Blackened any day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not Metallica&#8217;s best, even on that album IMHO.</p>
<p>Give me Blackened any day.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2006/12/voluntary-euthanasia-a-musical-plea/#comment-1821</link>
		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 05:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And all I'm saying is that VOLUNTARY euthanasia should be legislated for in some form.

Obviously you don't trust doctors or the government with your life. Fair enough too. Why then do you oppose a law that gives YOU (or your next of kin even) the power to make the choice? Simply because that choice is enshrined in law it's automatically bad?

Most opposition (cf C.L.) seems to come from the idea that life and death by their very nature can't be treated in anything but black and white. We must ALWAYS struggle to keep people alive.

Fucking wierd that these same people believe they're off to sit on a cloud with Hendrix, when sanguine death-dealers like me face oblivion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And all I&#8217;m saying is that VOLUNTARY euthanasia should be legislated for in some form.</p>
<p>Obviously you don&#8217;t trust doctors or the government with your life. Fair enough too. Why then do you oppose a law that gives YOU (or your next of kin even) the power to make the choice? Simply because that choice is enshrined in law it&#8217;s automatically bad?</p>
<p>Most opposition (cf C.L.) seems to come from the idea that life and death by their very nature can&#8217;t be treated in anything but black and white. We must ALWAYS struggle to keep people alive.</p>
<p>Fucking wierd that these same people believe they&#8217;re off to sit on a cloud with Hendrix, when sanguine death-dealers like me face oblivion.</p>
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