It’s just occurred to me that Jason hasn’t been around to put up an open forum or a weekend YouTube. I’ve got speed problems right now, so I’m not sure that I’ll be able to come good with a YouTube vid, but at least here’s an open thread to be going on with.
Open Forum 02/06/07
June 2, 2007 – 5:36 pm
203 Comments
Gotta stop snorting that speed sister.
So why are libs against conscription into the military forces?
Because they are not THAT rotten.
They are thieves. But they are not dirty rotten thieves.
I just realised that line would give someone an opportunity to make a joke at my expense… and Graeme turns up and does so
No just go and listen to some way cool heavy metal in the YouTube post and all will be forgiven
I’ve been away from my computer all day because I had to catch an early flight to Canberra this morning to attend and present at this - thought I’d give it some publicity for the hard core economics fans. Alex Robson presented yesterday - unfortunately due to work commitments I wasn’t able to go to Canberra yesterday as I planned to so I missed his talk.
http://law.anu.edu.au/nissl/LawEcon.htm
Also mentioning this because the paranoid Bird has been accusing me of ‘drip feed censorship’ since I wasn’t around to approve his comments.
Alex Robson is a saint.
“Alex Robson is a saint. ”
He’s also a friend of Humphreys so maybe you should lay off the disproportionate abuse of his friend …
Bullshit he’s a friend of Humphreys.
Humphreys has no friends.
Is he a young bloke or something?
Humphreys doesn’t get criticised enough. His pigheadedness is just astounding.
Imagine judging defence issues as if we all lived our lives backwards. Going backwards through time like the Warlock Merlin.
Alex is pretty young… early-30s me thinks. I don’t live in Canberra anymore, so I haven’t seen him in a few years. Hope you two had fun down there Jase and didn’t cause too much trouble.
I don’t judge things backwards GMB. I did all my judging well before the war. It’s not rocket science to predict that a huge government program would fail.
No thats bullshit.
They ought to have won quickly against such a weak group of countries.
But the left mobilised far more quickly than anyone expected.
Its cost so much specifically because of the blindness to regimes that you yourself display and for no other material reason.
Man this is classic. I hope CL turns up and raises the tone cos Graeme ain’t gonna…
BTW there’s a huge shit-fight over at LP and Blair’s on Ayaan Hirsi Ali. It’s as funny as a fit as well as very annoying. Go check it out!
It’s petered or petering out now. I liked your KO, btw. I like Kim too (although we’ve fought horribly in the past), but this was definitely “not her best work”.
You mean that those bastards at LP are putting down Ayaan?
What depravity will these lunatics sink to next?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On a happier note I’ve just found a magnificent article that explains some of what I’ve been trying to communicate about the gridlock that Physics has gotten itself into.
http://www.mikamar.biz/relativity.htm
“You can imagine that I look back on my life’s work with calm satisfaction.
But from nearby it looks quite different.
There is not a single concept of which I am convinced that it will stand firm, and I feel uncertain whether I am in general on the right track.”
So said Albert Einstein in a letter that wasn’t published for a very long time after his death.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I’m scared to go over to LP to even check out just what depraved crapola these people are up to now.
We can give this cesspit of assholery no quarter. We must attack them and everything they represent.
But the terrible feeling that these philistines and smug shysters are having a go at this intelligent and courageous young woman is just soooooo depressing.
Can someone go over there and abuse them for me?
You know. Real vicious abuse.
I was going to follow up the seventy-six-who-suck with……. “Keyser Trad: You Can Fuck Right Off Too” But in the end I just couldn’t stomach talking about this vile man and his response to Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s visit.
What villainous and dirty creatures they are at Prodeo. What disgusting vomit these taxeaters are.
I tell you there is just no substitute for mass-sackings.
Such a program of mass-sackings would improve the prospects for our country in a “Public-Choice” sense so very very much.
“It’s petered or petering out now. I liked your KO, btw. I like Kim too (although we’ve fought horribly in the past), but this was definitely “not her best workâ€.”
I don’t like her anymore. Thats done it for me. Her calling others an Islamophobe when her appeasement of the sick end of the Islamic spectrum marks her out as the scared shitless one.
And consider Marks relentlessly depraved arguments.
Its pretty simple. A feminist ought to support women everywhere and not just other white chicks.
She seems to think that Ayaan Hirsi Alis testimony is “unhelpful”. But the truth is never unhelpful in the long run.
Notice that neither the depraved Mark and all those white female lunatics on that thread ever concern themselves with the truth or falsehood of anything that Ali is saying here…. Beyond some alleged improvements to the plight of Muslim women IN A SINGLE MUSLIM COUNTRY.
Mark’s just closed the thread - this time for good, I suspect.
I would have thought the two women - Kim and Hirsi Ali - would have been sisters of experience in relation to the trauma of lost body parts. I guess I’d be re-banned at LP if I went over there and paraphrased one of Kim’s own comments:
“Her view on
Islamcancer is too much coloured by her own experience”.And rightly so, given the crassness and callousness of the assertion.
Mark always guillotines the discussion in these circumstances. It’s a soft liberal blog application of the Brit RoPer slogan, ‘Behead Those Who Insult Islam’.
He was right to close it. They didn’t have a case. What were they arguing for? When all is said and done they didn’t know.
They wanted to express enmity for this woman but at the same time pretend that this is not what they wanted to do.
They just talked around the subject and it was all impossibly vague.
These are people not in touch with their own sick feelings.
Hitler was pretty big on the aggressive side of Islam too so if its not an appeasement thing we might put it down to shared fascist interests.
Mark pictured shortly after an LP editorial meeting.
C.L., we’ve mainly agreed on things and occasionally not, and I think of you as a comrade in arms and all, so I hope you won’t take it amiss if I suggest you ask sl to delete your 10:47 pm comment?
CL, I’ll take that out if you like - Rob’s right. When Kim said it about Hirsi Ali it was wrong, and it’s still wrong when you say it about Kim. I’m averse to deleting anything on the Cat after having got too free with doing it to Graeme and Michael F in the past, but will do so if you let me know you’d prefer not to have that sort of view on display.
I don’t want you to delete it at all. Kim has commented very often upon her misfortune at LP. It’s not a secret. Nor is the comparison my actual opinion, but rather a parody of hers - as I made very clear. I think you’d find she’s less precious about the subject than you’re being.
No skin off my nose, C.L.
I freely concede that was very bad wording on my part. I don’t agree with Ali and I don’t think that disagreeing with her is unreasonable at all (or that it implies siding with her adversaries), but I shouldn’t have expressed myself in such a way as could have been interpreted as minimising her pain and suffering.
Many a blog comment is made in haste, unfortunately, and if I had the thread over again, I would have written it differently.
But I don’t want to re-argue it.
Thanks all; always good to see that these things can be resolved. That was a bruising thread, and didn’t end well for anyone, unfortunately.
Oh, and thanks, Rob - most of our stoushes have been reasonably light hearted I think - despite the fact that I don’t agree with your postmodernism!
Thanks, SL, too. Probably I wrote the post too quickly and didn’t make the argument as clear or as tight as I should have but c’est la blogging vie…
Goodo, Kim. I didn’t read absolutely every word of the thread and I haven’t read any over at Blair’s. I have no doubt that your criticism implies no endorsement of those pursuing her or of those whose worldview assaulted her spirit in the first place.
I do note, and am disappointed by, the default tendency in the LP Hive to spring into action against the merest slight on the dignity of Islam. I find that connectedness and vicarious sense of grievance to be a bizarre corruption of genuine tolerance. Some of us - yourself included - were extremely critical of the institution’s responses to the clerical child abuse scandal in our Church. Now imagine if a Muslim (representing you in this analogy) - feeling some sense of collateral angst about religion’s good name being assaulted - told the folks at Broken Rites to shut up about the elephantine crisis in the Church’s Upper Room and to instead concentrate on Happy Things.
Wouldn’t that be peculiar and worrying for what it said about the people that Muslim was eager to stow out of the way of analysis?
Enlightenment
Sinister, destructive period of history which had a ‘project’ to dominate nature, prefer reason to superstition, and stop going to church. All a big mistake, but postmodernism will fix it.
Discuss.
For guidance:
http://www.butterfliesandwheels.com/dictionary.php
Thanks, C.L., most certainly I am appalled by the threats made against her.
On your point, I actually used a similar analogy. I would have deep respect for someone who’d suffered sexual abuse from a cleric and I’d take what they had to say seriously but I wouldn’t judge the whole institution based on it.
Around 90% of women in Burkina Faso have been subjected to FGM, but no one would suggest that animist/tribal beliefs are the sole cause.
I think that Ali’s work, as I said more than once in the comments thread, does do something very valuable by drawing attention to the evils of FGM, but I don’t think much of the political conclusions she draws and suggestions she makes. But certainly I don’t think that the way in which people use Islam as a way of legitimising these sorts of horrors should be overlooked. I just think that the sorts of work many African women through NGOs which are often very poorly funded and low profile is the most effective way in which it can be countered and the strategy that those of us who are concerned to show solidarity should support.
Re - SL’s comment - and I’m not registered at Blair’s so I can’t answer it there - I was just asking the question about what happens with pregnancy and FGM - I didn’t know and it wasn’t meant to be any sort of assertion.
As SL also says, unfortunately I think the discussion got polarised along some unfortunate lines and it would be productive in another context and at another time to talk about FGM and how to counter it.
Kim - I’m accustomed to being ridiculed for being post-modernist. I think it’s faintly ridiculous myself.
I can never open a volume of Baudrillard now without thinking of you, Rob. Or Barthes’ Mythologies - actually about the only thing of his I’ve read properly with the exception of Sade, Fourier, Loyola.
But I was mainly interested in the Loyola part!
Mythologies is a great work. Although I read somewhere that Barthes repudiated it later in life. Not that he lived that long. I’m embarrassed these days by my affection for Baudrillard, but what can I say? He wrote great, ground-breaking stuff — once.
Religion’s an incredibly complex and personal thing, and for every Kim or CL there’s some nutjob trying to chop peoples’ sexy bits off or blow stuff up. I’m not religious but have developed considerable respect for people like CL and Amir, who comment here at the Cat regularly and always make me think.
That said, I still have certain defined lines that religion must not cross, and Islam crosses those lines pretty regularly (as do some other systems common in the Third World; Kim mentioned Burkina Faso; I had a stint in Rwanda that damned near turned me into a female version of Cecil Rhodes).
Where my libertarianism becomes absolute is when - as CL mentioned above - a ‘default tendency’ to be protective towards a given religious tradition is manifested, typically because that religious tradition is under attack from a western (read ‘white’) power.
As I see it, bullshit is bullshit. It doesn’t matter if that bullshit is put about by some poor thing ground down under the heel of European imperialism. It’s still bullshit. I’ve met Ukrainians and Tartars who tried to argue that anti-semitism is an intrinsic part of their culture (and, based on history and values, they have a point).
Doesn’t change a damned thing. It’s still bullshit.
Yep. His later stuff really became a bit of a parody. But the earlier work is very useful and insightful still.
One of the things - there are a few - that impressed me about several libertarians was their arch cynicism about the treatment of Benedict XVI over Regensberg. I knew very well they’d call bullshit on a Christian campaign of worldwide hysteria too - which was one reason why their broad support for Benedict’s rights (and hence others’ intellectual rights) was quite authoritative.
Kim, all noted - but I don’t think the Hirsi Ali story should be delimited to the politics of FMG. There is a far broader and more important suite of phenomena for which this woman is a living symbol: freedom of speech, of religion (or of none), of association, of art and culture, of the march of women’s rights towards the status of the universal. It’s very important to support her on all of this. I just can’t understand why she seems to grate on the nerves of the Western left.
That sums up Hirsi Ali for me too, CL. To a libertarian, women’s rights are human rights, and I don’t cut anybody any cultural slack on that score.
Maybe I’m naive to argue for something so old-school as universal values, but my universalism is based on clearly articulated utilitarian principles.
Universal rights really do benefit the majority - starting with women - who, in Western countries, are the majority… (because it’s getting increasingly difficult to kill them off at birth).
To be honest with you, C.L., I was looking for much more from her on these sorts of issues - but I think her writing is pretty formulaic and doesn’t really deal with some of the contradictions that occur when principles meet practice. I just don’t think she has a great deal of intellectual depth.
To change the topic, if anyone wants to see a fun Bollywood crossover lesbian Glaswgian flick, I’ve got one for you!
http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/03/film-about-glasgow-not-as-dark-as-mike-leigh-style-flick-shock/
Glaswegian that is…!
How do they get Glaswegian from Glasgow anyway?
It’s to do with the accent. DEM (a sometime commenter on the Cat) is - to coin a phrase - an ‘Edinbugger’. The two groups are apparently ‘Weegies’ and ‘Buggers’, from ‘Glaswegian’ and ‘Edinbuggers’.
Maybe it’s a Scots thing
Must be, I’ll go have a single malt and maybe my brain will be more receptive to the explanation!
I’m off to watch whoever’s on Raaaaage for a while before turning in. Fondness (and clumsiness) perdure, Kim, even if the yellowvinyl blogcrush of old fades away. Ni-ni.
Ni-ni to you, C.L.
“Around 90% of women in Burkina Faso have been subjected to FGM, but no one would suggest that animist/tribal beliefs are the sole cause.”
But they may be a contributing cause!!!!
“I think that Ali’s work, as I said more than once in the comments thread, does do something very valuable by drawing attention to the evils of FGM, but I don’t think much of the political conclusions she draws and suggestions she makes.”
You should have maybe concentrated on the latter and with linked extended quotes. This virulent nastiness you and Mark were showing for the girl…… well we could scarcely criticise it because it was all so vague.
Islam was a religion founded by a political leader and warrier. Its always going to be prone to agression.
Its quite different matter if your neighbouring country is dominated by JAINS with a medium age of 20…….. Confucians with a medium age of 30…… ….Quakers with a medium of 35…….. Or Sufis with a medium age of 40.
… Or Islamists with a medium age of 18 being propagandized to relentlessly in messages of hate… being propagandized to from Kindergarten level with oil-money and the hate-incitement is being generated by a half dozen brutal regimes and spilling out into the world in general and into the Islamic world more specifically.
Get with the program. You are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Almost as gutless as Humphreys. ‘Go forth and sin no more.’
Some pictures of weather stations and how they collect temperature data (via Bolt).
Do scroll down, look at comments #14 and #15.
Sinc, you should regularly visit Climateaudit. Its in my top 5 blogs to visit daily.
Ive seen heaps more of these photos over at Roger Peilkes blog.
This appears not to be an isolated thing at all.
They’ve changed all the paint and everything. You’ll see pictures of the same measuring place and a plane just landing and all this ashphalt.
Thats why the global warming is just so much milder when it comes to the balloon and satelite records.
I don’t know how many of you have read her books or listened to her speak but she’s hardly a worthy adversary like a Pipes or a Dawkins (or even Catallaxy’s own GMB, JC and CL). There just isn’t much substance to her ideas and a lot of it seems to be more about ’shock value’ than anything else (for example, calling the Prophet a ‘pedophile’, Islam is the new facism, new Nazism, new communism, blah blah blah). It’s all very unimaginative and boring.
As far as solutions to the ‘problems’ she identifies, I’m yet to hear anything of any substance either. There are the usual platitudes about supporting Muslim moderates, opening up critical discussion of Islam in the West and so on, but this self-professed disciple of Hayek and Mill also believes the West should support military interference and intervention in democratic political processes when those processes ‘threaten’ to deliver candidates who are married to women in headscarfs or believe women should be free to wear a headscarf in universities and government offices.
That said, I think if someone looks at her work as a purely autobiographical account then there is some value in it. It’s important that barbaric cultural practices such as FGM are exposed and confronted, but I don’t think her commentary on Islam or Muslims is particularly well-informed, scholarly or useful. Sadly, if people are going to bring Hirsi Ali to a battle about Islam they are bringing a very dull weapon indeed.
That’s kinda my point, Amir. She’s an intellectual lightweight and she’s just written herself into the most extreme Mark Steyn-ish type polemics.
I must admit I winced a bit when I saw she had entitled her autobiog “The Caged Virgin”. But I’ve not read it so can’t comment beyond that.
I think you need to look at some of the articles she’s written about politics - most of which can be found on the web, Rob. Like Amir said, a lot of what she writes when she starts talking about the broader issues is really just sloganeering.
Most of her stuff that I have read is more autobiographical and anecdotal than analytic - but I don’t have a problem with that. Banging on about Mohammed being a pedophile is a bad tactic though. She’d do better reminding the world of the Ayatollah Khomeini’s bizarre sexual fixations, some of which are so unspeakable as to be unrepeatable.
“I must admit I winced a bit when I saw she had entitled her autobiog “The Caged Virginâ€. But I’ve not read it so can’t comment beyond that.”
Don’t be going soft on us Rob. WHY WINCE?
Its a great title.
Sounds pretty enticing if you ask me.
If we’re thinking of the same thing, I know what you’re talking about. I remember reading some of his stuff and getting the distinct impression he was a very perverted man.
“That’s kinda my point, Amir. She’s an intellectual lightweight and she’s just written herself into the most extreme Mark Steyn-ish type polemics.”
There’s no argument here Kim. You’ve never layed a glove on Steyn or on Ali.
You can’t criticise one in terms of the other or vice versa. You are hopping around the subject.
Take their ideas on directly with some sort of consideration for their truth or falsehood.
Thats what we didn’t see in that guillotined thread. Any indication that TRUTH or FALSEHOOD means the least thing to you facists.
I used to think the material was faked, but I did a big Google search on it awhile ago in an attempt to verify that, and it seems he really did write the stuff.
I didn’t take offence at C.L., but I think I will at that remark from GMB!
I think of you as a sort of CAGED VIRGIN Kim.
You want to get out and about a bit more.
Find out more about the real world.
It will help you get more to the truth or falsehood of these issues with greater despatch.
The hole’s getting deeper, GMB.
I find that very hard to believe.
You’ve got to spend more time at “A Better World”.
Get yourself educated. Ask some questions.
And don’t forget to read your Austrian economics.
Come over under another name.
Otherwise your fellow leftists will cut you off above the knee.
Hirsi Ali misses the point; not surprisingly, because she is actually a feminist and a cultural leftist, rather than a genuine defender of the West. Here’s the problem: there is no epistemological difference between publicly worshipping Hitler and publicly worshipping God (I’m not an athiest, merely pointing out a logical truth). Either notion (that Hitler is a deity, or that God is a deity) is unfalsifiable, although Hitler-worship is, prima facie on theist terms, more humane than God-worship (Hitler only killed a smallish fraction of the world’s population; God openly states that He killed EVERYONE by drowning, bar one family).
Anybody who insists that their unproven superstitions carry moral or legal obligations for others rejects logic, reason and modernity and is, ipso facto, a barbarian. Muslims are currently the worst offenders in this regard - not only for openly insisting that non-Muslims are going to burn in “hell” for declining to take Mohammad’s word at face value (there is no scientific evidence for this; they are engaging in flippant character assassination) but furthermore maintaining that non-Muslims have LEGAL obligations to Muslims (particularly in submitting to the liberty and property-aggression attendent in Islamic law where Muslims have state control, or in censoring themselves through evil religious vilification laws where Muslims are a minority). In short, faith, in Islam, cannot possibly be only a private matter. This makes Islam not only barbaric, but totalitarian.
Free societies can easily protect themselves from barbarism - not by sending fighting men to useless internecine wars on barbarian-inclined territory - by firewalling themselves from people who subscribe to barbaric ideas, in short, by refusing to allow them to immigrate. If Hirsi Ali has not called for a ban on Muslim immigration - the logical conclusion of her own beliefs - then she should be viewed with extreme scepticism henceforth.
More here:
http://ravingwingnut.blogspot.com/2006/10/something-i-unleashed-on-polite.html
http://ravingwingnut.blogspot.com/2006/11/are-we-morally-obliged-to-quote-koran.html
“Banging on about Mohammed being a pedophile is a bad tactic though”
An excellent point - she should instead bang on about Mohammed being a paedophile AND a liar (or delusional, or insane - it must logically have been one of the three).
I think the hole’s dug now, GMB. Jump in, there’s a good boy.
Kimbo
Boy, oh boy, you certainly have got yourself into hot water, haven’t you?
It appears that muslims are unclear as to what precisely the Ayatollah was saying
Ilya [way, way back on 2] asked:
Ha=ha=ha=ha .:D They’re not!
The election campaign is already under way. Now that 457 visas are welded in place so that employers don’t get all fretful and nervous ….. and as soon as the mug voters are conned into believing that their own kids will be especially exempted ….. National Service [ooops sorry, I mean Patriotic Duty] will be slammed down on the table like the left bower in a game of five hundred.
Conscription in 2007 is a gold-plated diamond-studded 110% vote winner
…… and that’s why I expect Rudd to slam down the right bower and steal Flakjacket Johnny’s [or his successor's] thunder by announcing Labor’s own Anzac Service scheme first. What do you mean it wasn’t mentioned at the annual party bunfight? Does a silly little thing like that matter when the country is in peril [and there's an election to be won]?
Not everyone will be thrilled at the idea of being hurt fighting to keep us all safe……So get ready for another epidemic of sudden-onset bedwetting, retrospective unrecorded rheumatic fever, tragic juvenile medical histories for hire, publicly-announced support for alQaeda and all it stands for, sudden conversions to convenient religions, temporarily elevated serum-levels of recreational drug metabolites, urgent extended overseas trips, ….. and, sorry fellows, unexpected manifestations of homosexual behavior won’t work this time [besides, nowadays, they might even make the examining officer take a bit of a liking to you],
I wonder what the market price for a Substitute will be?
” think the hole’s dug now, GMB. Jump in, there’s a good boy.”
See the great panache I have with reconciling with these women?
Barely took me any time at all and Kims sending me cosmic sex.
HAHAHAHAHA!
Garrett accuses PM of scaremongering.
The soon to have been wedding singer is accusing the PM of scarmongering.
This is the idiot who doesn’t even know he own policies.
I’d actually enjoy Labor being in power. It would be hysterically funny.
Good to see CL and JC being unaware of economic modelling on the subject.
Howard not only quotes a non-policy, he then verbals his own inquiry and then doesn’t seem to understand the modeller his own treasury has signed up to look at the issue.
It is unlikely their figures will be different to the ones they gave the BCA and guess what.
Err Howard is wrong again.
A Blair commenter points me to this at Crazy Pete’s website:
But he’s no scaremonger.
HAHAHAHAHA!
PM politicising Murray-Darling plan: Bracks.
Come on Homer. If its any of these 76 know-nothing bullshit useless economists doing the modelling of course they’ll play the costs down.
None of them understand economics for one thing. And they show no evidence of understanding energy economics.
Where’s our new liquified coal plants being built?
Where are those consortia who are salivating to put in the nuclear power stations?
They’re not fucking there. They’ve been scared away. And where are all those monster oil fields that we need to come on stream REAL-FAST to stop the oil prices rising through the roof?
They are not fucking there either.
All this talk of economic modelling?
Whose doing the modelling?
Its the energy-deprivation-crusaders that are doing the modelling.
And you wouldn’t trust them enough to leave your wallet on the table for five minutes.
Look at what this fascist anti-educator Banisch is up to now!!!
“In his recently released book, The Assault on Reason, Al Gore pinpoints the rise of television as underpinning the eclipse of reasoned debate in politics. Symbolism and soundbites trump complex arguments.
“This has no doubt been one of the reasons why the science on climate change took so long to cut through to public awareness – climate change is neither a simple phenomenon nor are the solutions lacking in complexity.”
Here is this jerk. A person who misleads children 1 day in 2 in his life.
And you would think from above that he’s got some evidence.
But he doesn’t have any evidence. And he’s never come up with any evidence.
And Terge wants to cut taxes and maintain services????
The whole point is to get rid of frauds like Banisch.
He’s dead wood like most taxeaters.
Sheesh, Birdy, if you keep carrying on like that I won’t vote for you in the next ALS poll.
I won’t believe you ever voted for me unless I see it with my own eyes.
You have some influence on Banisch don’t you?
Get him to come up with some positive evidence for this crapola.
Its just one thread after another on LP Leech Promotions…. Just one thread after another on global warming.
Robert Merkel is a huge offender in this regard. But Mark chooses the people to push his facist line.
So what gives?
How you got the evidence? Did you see Mark with some evidence? Did he ever show you any evidence? Did he ever talk lazily amount some scientist somewhere that had the evidence? Does he know anyone within 7 degrees of seperation who had the evidence?
You know this might be all Popperian baby-talk you guys are into here. No positive evidence. And deciding that anyone who speaks against this massive science fraud has been “falsified”.
Tell me whats going on here Kim?
But don’t try bullshitting me that any of you guys voted for me because that just insults my intelligence.
I want to show you guys something very strange that Harry once said to me.
HARRY SEZ:
“GMB it would be useful if you could say clearly what evidence I could conceivably gather that would refute the global warming hypothesis - i.e. the hypothesis that warming is caused by anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions.”
But that was ass-backwards. Because Harry had found little to no POSITIVE or actual evidence that the industrial-CO2 had warmed anything in any substantial way.
I actually find this backtofrontery quite disturbing.
SO I SEZ:
“FIRST THINGS FIRST
Find some evidence that an increase in CO2 causes any substantial amount of warming.
And not just a tiny bit either. We don’t starve our fellow man of access-to-energy on the basis of a tiny bit of CO2-induced-warming right in the middle of a brutal and pulverising ice age.”
Don’t you guys think that this weird Popperism has just gone that little bit too far?
Putting falsification and falsifyability ahead of positive evidence?
Surely this is extremism?
It certainly serves as a pretty good starter-explanation for a great deal of silly-buggery that I’ve been witness to these last few years.
But I did vote for you.
I don’t believe you.
Wait a second.
Tell me exactly WHEN you voted for me.
Birdy
Have some chivalry. Gentlemen don’t accuse women of lying without any proof
Dude.
You know the way these people work. They move as a tribe. They make tribal decisions.
She’ll only be a real woman when she cuts loose from the group-think.
That tribe would voting for you Graeme.
I, on the other hand, voted for Andrew N as often as I could - 3 times per day (without deleting cookies and all that).
Thats democracy for ya; vote now! vote often!
This is seriopusly friggen spooky!
Has a serial killer blogged here?
http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/garyhughes/index.php/theaustralian/comments/has_a_serial_killer_blogged_here/
Has WA’s Claremont serial killer been contributing to this blog while police continue their unsuccessful hunt for him? According to a new book on the long-running saga by crime author Debi Marshall, it’s possible. She quotes Robin Napper, a lecturer at Perth’s Centre for Forensic Science and a former police detective, as describing the contributions to Gotcha from a mysterious figure using the name “Dr Phibes†as “seriously spookyâ€. “Whoever this blogger is, he has more than a passing interest in the subject and is teasing us with his knowledge of all three victims,†says Mr Napper.
Repeatedly!
A bit like a branch meeting in Balmain
Just dont say ‘ethnic’ say true believer
#86 Why did you vote for him Kim?
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Elephant beats keeper when meals late:
Comment trapped in moderation.
Well, he’s the most entertaining! Depends on what’s meant by “best”…
Since it was mentioned earlier in the thread, I’ve written a clarification post on the debate my earlier piece on Hirsaan Ali started:
http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/04/ayaan-hirsi-ali-and-the-fgm-debate/
Thanks for that Kim. I’m going to do an Ayaan Hirsi Ali roound-up section in Missing Link - it’s really captured lots of bloggy attention, and I want to make sure I round up everyones’ efforts.
Peter Beattie bans electric hot water systems.
This is now a straight-out cult.
John Howard will be pleased.
CL when are you going to start blogging again?
Oh, Tal - I think my moment has passed. But I think about it sometimes.
Thanks for asking.
If only to stop Homer wearing that silly moniker. Please.
Morning JC, yes a bonus I never thought about
Sorry Homer I like your writing as well.
Yes, CL, it is a cult.
Sinc very recently pointed to a few pics of weather monitoring stations on ClimateAudit. Well, a website is now cataloguing the weather stations included in the USHCN dataset, see here:
http://www.surfacestations.org/
The results will be interesting.
My moniker stays until CL starts blogging again.
The blogsphere needs his quality writing again
The fate of CL’s blog is as assured as EvilPundit’s return to Larva Prodeo
Now now Jason anything is possible.
Evil Pundit.
I almost forgot him.
Rarely agreed with him but how could have he been banned when all he said was funny!!!
Old Evil made mixed meat of ‘em and they didn’t like it. So they Chavezed his LP broadcasts.
Sharan Burrow hates Australia.
I think the Libs must have bribed her to do this.
Lib policy is to outlaw collective bargaining in Australia. This will be the ONLY country in the Western world where this will be in operation.
This is not to improve the labour market but merely an attempt to destroy the unions
Good ol’Shazza. I can hear Howard laughing and giggling in Melbourne. The labour movement is Howard’s secret weapon.
“Lib policy is to outlaw collective bargaining in Australia.”
No really, do they want to do this overtly:
e.g
“s 115 Collective bargainaing in the Commonwealth shall be illegal and subject to 100 penalty units as described in the schedule”
Or are you pulling my leg?
Mark,
That is the intent of the policy.
There are few IR lawyers I have spoken too who do not make this point. most commentators do this too.
See Mark Wooden for example
As I suspected you are pulling my leg.
Check this website out.
By Allah its just MAGNIFICENT!!!!!!
I cannnot wait to read the articles!
http://lol.ianloic.com/feed/graemebird.wordpress.com/atom.xml
This is one of the funniest things I’ve read in a long time.
For all you guys who like markets and human behaviour.
Quiz
Which country has experienced possibly the biggest bull market in modern history in local currency terms?
No, Not China or India etc.
It’s Zimbabwe.
Since last year the stock market has gone up from about 10,000 (index) to… drum roll please
11.9 million. You read it correctly. 11.9 million.
When the central bank becomes the leaders plaything. When the leader steals land for his bros. When the currency exchange is locked up the only place you have a hope of protecting yourself in is the stock market, it will go up.
F me that’s a stock market you wouldn’t want to short.
The
“On a happier note I’ve just found a magnificent article that explains some of what I’ve been trying to communicate about the gridlock that Physics has gotten itself into.”
Go on GMB, show physics the path out of its gridlock.
from the website Bird linked to
http://www.mikamar.biz/Default.htm
“The last 150 years have seen immense progress in understanding electrical phenomena, and we are seeing voluminous evidence of plasma and magnetic fields (always caused by electric currents) in space. Nevertheless, the conventional cosmology taught today remains essentially a theory based solely on gravity and nuclear fusion. The Electric Universe introduces the universe that many in mainstream science ignore, and authors Wallace Thornhill and David Talbott offer a sweeping critique of today’s popular cosmology. They show that galaxies, stars (including our Sun), and comets can be best understood through the well-tested behavior of electricity—the one force about which astronomers seem to know almost nothing, a force that is 1036 or more times as strong as gravity.”
Jeepers Bird where do you find these guys? What is it with you and these Van Flandern types?
A book on the Chicago School - looks very interesting.
Who wants to do the crackpot index rating on the page?
I think Bird’s own theories deserve their own crackpot index:
-5 starting credit
+1 for each vulgarity
+1 for each 100 words that adds nothing to the theory
+1 for each mention of leftists
+2 for each piece of ad hominen abuse
+5 for each mention of “science workers”
+5 for each mention of convergence
+5 for each mention of the “hume nuke”
+5 for each shrill demand for evidence which is readily available
+10 for each mention of “rightful certitude”
+20 for each reference to himself as a genius
the link at 112 - funniest thing I’ve ever seen!
http://lol.ianloic.com/feed/graemebird.wordpress.com/atom.xml