Comments on: Jonathan Mills is a pretentious git, but The Bacchae is great http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2007/08/jonathan-mills-is-a-pretentious-git-but-the-bacchae-is-great/ Two lawyers on law, legislation and liberty. And other stuff. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:19:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Deus Ex Macintosh http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2007/08/jonathan-mills-is-a-pretentious-git-but-the-bacchae-is-great/#comment-7850 Deus Ex Macintosh Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:43:18 +0000 http://catallaxyfiles.com/?p=3077#comment-7850 One hopes he was at least in time. (Eau, MAY-tron...!) One hopes he was at least in time. (Eau, MAY-tron…!)

]]> By: skepticlawyer http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2007/08/jonathan-mills-is-a-pretentious-git-but-the-bacchae-is-great/#comment-7849 skepticlawyer Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:59:03 +0000 http://catallaxyfiles.com/?p=3077#comment-7849 Aristophanes was a target of opportunity comic, although I think he came pretty close to expressing his real views of the merits of the tragedians in <i>The Frogs</i>. Aeschylus wins the 'game', but Euripides is damn close behind. That didn't stop him from paying out mercilessly on both when given the opportunity. And yes, I do feel a bit sorry for the conductor... somewhat, ahem, distracting and all. Aristophanes was a target of opportunity comic, although I think he came pretty close to expressing his real views of the merits of the tragedians in The Frogs. Aeschylus wins the ‘game’, but Euripides is damn close behind. That didn’t stop him from paying out mercilessly on both when given the opportunity.

And yes, I do feel a bit sorry for the conductor… somewhat, ahem, distracting and all.

]]> By: Deus Ex Macintosh http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2007/08/jonathan-mills-is-a-pretentious-git-but-the-bacchae-is-great/#comment-7848 Deus Ex Macintosh Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:30:47 +0000 http://catallaxyfiles.com/?p=3077#comment-7848 My only divergence with Skeptic's review is in her choice of illustration - having chosen virtually the only photo that fails to expose the divine Alan's ass to a wider audience than those in the theatre. For those gallant chaps who may blush for the delicate sensibilities of we young ladies, I must regret to say that even at only four rows back in the stalls our view of the um ... <i>props</i> ... was nowhere near as panoramic as that enjoyed by the conductor from the orchestra pit for the first twenty minutes. My only divergence with Skeptic’s review is in her choice of illustration - having chosen virtually the only photo that fails to expose the divine Alan’s ass to a wider audience than those in the theatre.

For those gallant chaps who may blush for the delicate sensibilities of we young ladies, I must regret to say that even at only four rows back in the stalls our view of the um … props … was nowhere near as panoramic as that enjoyed by the conductor from the orchestra pit for the first twenty minutes.

]]> By: Rob http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2007/08/jonathan-mills-is-a-pretentious-git-but-the-bacchae-is-great/#comment-7847 Rob Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:17:06 +0000 http://catallaxyfiles.com/?p=3077#comment-7847 Adrienswords - Aristophanes was always my favourite. A distant memory, but wasn't Lysistrata about an anti-war sex strike by women? Adrienswords - Aristophanes was always my favourite. A distant memory, but wasn’t Lysistrata about an anti-war sex strike by women?

]]> By: skepticlawyer http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2007/08/jonathan-mills-is-a-pretentious-git-but-the-bacchae-is-great/#comment-7846 skepticlawyer Sat, 18 Aug 2007 09:07:21 +0000 http://catallaxyfiles.com/?p=3077#comment-7846 Never fear, there are more coming, folks. I figure I can't do this much culture vulturing without spreading the love around just a bit :) I think Hughes is right, too, and must admit I hadn't conceived of it in that way. There's a specific knack involved in being an artwanker, which varies over time but stands out like dogs' nuts to people in the audience/forced to listen etc. Never fear, there are more coming, folks. I figure I can’t do this much culture vulturing without spreading the love around just a bit :)
I think Hughes is right, too, and must admit I hadn’t conceived of it in that way. There’s a specific knack involved in being an artwanker, which varies over time but stands out like dogs’ nuts to people in the audience/forced to listen etc.

]]> By: Adrienswords http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2007/08/jonathan-mills-is-a-pretentious-git-but-the-bacchae-is-great/#comment-7845 Adrienswords Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:58:19 +0000 http://catallaxyfiles.com/?p=3077#comment-7845 I was reading a section of Robert Hughes' memoir a few weeks back where he made the interesting remark that in every era there's always an 'artwanker' speak; ie an overly rhetorical mode of discourse designed to disguise the writer/speaker's deficiencies. He was writing about the 50s where the mode was then a flowery pseudo-Edwardian type lingo. Of course, Hughes says, these days its Francophile post-whateverism. Euripedes rocks, one of my all time favourites. Check out <i>The Women of Troy</i> arguably the first anti-war drama and the earliest in my experience to deal with war from the point of view of both women and the vanquished. I was reading a section of Robert Hughes’ memoir a few weeks back where he made the interesting remark that in every era there’s always an ‘artwanker’ speak; ie an overly rhetorical mode of discourse designed to disguise the writer/speaker’s deficiencies. He was writing about the 50s where the mode was then a flowery pseudo-Edwardian type lingo. Of course, Hughes says, these days its Francophile post-whateverism.

Euripedes rocks, one of my all time favourites. Check out The Women of Troy arguably the first anti-war drama and the earliest in my experience to deal with war from the point of view of both women and the vanquished.

]]> By: Rafe Champion http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2007/08/jonathan-mills-is-a-pretentious-git-but-the-bacchae-is-great/#comment-7844 Rafe Champion Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:18:36 +0000 http://catallaxyfiles.com/?p=3077#comment-7844 Yeah, good one! Yeah, good one!

]]> By: Rob http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2007/08/jonathan-mills-is-a-pretentious-git-but-the-bacchae-is-great/#comment-7843 Rob Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:17:33 +0000 http://catallaxyfiles.com/?p=3077#comment-7843 Nice review, sceptic. Keep them coming! Nice review, sceptic. Keep them coming!

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