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	<title>Comments on: Ideology, law and teaching</title>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer &#187; Who let the loons out?</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/03/ideology-law-and-teaching/#comment-12544</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer &#187; Who let the loons out?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is my take on political beliefs and academia - LE   This entry was written by skepticlawyer, posted on  at [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/03/ideology-law-and-teaching/#comment-11778</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete, good point - that is the heart of it for students, certainly. That's why I always make it clear that people are not marked on their point of view, but on their argument.

I really hated it when lecturers implied that if one wanted to do well in a certain subject, one had to follow the lecturer's point of view. Very, very boring. And particularly bad in a course which is supposed to make you think analytically, and make you consider both sides of the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete, good point - that is the heart of it for students, certainly. That&#8217;s why I always make it clear that people are not marked on their point of view, but on their argument.</p>
<p>I really hated it when lecturers implied that if one wanted to do well in a certain subject, one had to follow the lecturer&#8217;s point of view. Very, very boring. And particularly bad in a course which is supposed to make you think analytically, and make you consider both sides of the story.</p>
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		<title>By: pete m</title>
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		<dc:creator>pete m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At heart is when this bias extends to marking a paper.  I had a certain Treasurer as a lecturer in a politics course, and there was no doubt how we were to write about the "dismissal".  It was the most boring class in my law school days bar none.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At heart is when this bias extends to marking a paper.  I had a certain Treasurer as a lecturer in a politics course, and there was no doubt how we were to write about the &#8220;dismissal&#8221;.  It was the most boring class in my law school days bar none.</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/03/ideology-law-and-teaching/#comment-11780</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 03:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further thoughts:

I think that it's inevitable that universities attract more left wing people, just because of the way that they operate. When I think of my more right-wing friends at university, they are in private practice as corporate lawyers, accountants and merchant bankers, with a few working in government too. My more left-wing friends work in community legal centres, government, academia, NGOs, but also as solicitors or barristers in private practice. A few friends have gone totally left of field, dropping law altogether, becoming artists and jewellery designers or alternative health practitioners - just proves you shouldn't pigeon hole anyone!

So: certain workplaces tend to attract a certain sort of person with particular goals. Personally, I wasn't tremendously comfortable in a large corporate law firm, just because it didn't suit the way I think or operate. But I can see that some people flourish there, and they are people whom I like and respect.

As law teachers we have to cater to the needs of that whole range of students. I always tell my students that they should give legal practice a go, but there's many different options which may suit them - they shouldn't just feel that they have to go down the Big Firm Path because it's the most "prestigious".

I think practising law does change your point of view when teaching. I'm glad I spent a few years trying out various options before I came back to teach. In order to know what's right for you, sometimes you have to know what doesn't work as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further thoughts:</p>
<p>I think that it&#8217;s inevitable that universities attract more left wing people, just because of the way that they operate. When I think of my more right-wing friends at university, they are in private practice as corporate lawyers, accountants and merchant bankers, with a few working in government too. My more left-wing friends work in community legal centres, government, academia, NGOs, but also as solicitors or barristers in private practice. A few friends have gone totally left of field, dropping law altogether, becoming artists and jewellery designers or alternative health practitioners - just proves you shouldn&#8217;t pigeon hole anyone!</p>
<p>So: certain workplaces tend to attract a certain sort of person with particular goals. Personally, I wasn&#8217;t tremendously comfortable in a large corporate law firm, just because it didn&#8217;t suit the way I think or operate. But I can see that some people flourish there, and they are people whom I like and respect.</p>
<p>As law teachers we have to cater to the needs of that whole range of students. I always tell my students that they should give legal practice a go, but there&#8217;s many different options which may suit them - they shouldn&#8217;t just feel that they have to go down the Big Firm Path because it&#8217;s the most &#8220;prestigious&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think practising law does change your point of view when teaching. I&#8217;m glad I spent a few years trying out various options before I came back to teach. In order to know what&#8217;s right for you, sometimes you have to know what doesn&#8217;t work as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Bath</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/03/ideology-law-and-teaching/#comment-11777</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Bath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 03:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post, which has a wider implication in the culture wars, about left/right dominance in all faculties at universities and schools.  The right-wing shouldn't complain about proportions of lefty lecturers (and vice versa), but whether they give viewpoints a fair go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, which has a wider implication in the culture wars, about left/right dominance in all faculties at universities and schools.  The right-wing shouldn&#8217;t complain about proportions of lefty lecturers (and vice versa), but whether they give viewpoints a fair go.</p>
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		<title>By: wen</title>
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		<dc:creator>wen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good post, LE.

as a student, i agree that it is frustrating when law teachers use lesson to vent their spleen or narrate old war stories (i find this tends to happen with ex-barristers).

the best teachers i've found are those who taught the four corners of the curriculum, facilitated constructive discussion between students and constantly pushed our minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good post, LE.</p>
<p>as a student, i agree that it is frustrating when law teachers use lesson to vent their spleen or narrate old war stories (i find this tends to happen with ex-barristers).</p>
<p>the best teachers i&#8217;ve found are those who taught the four corners of the curriculum, facilitated constructive discussion between students and constantly pushed our minds.</p>
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