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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/03/pregnancy-is-not-an-illness/#comment-11766</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate that attitude! It's &lt;i&gt;up to you&lt;/i&gt;.

I have a friend who has gone back 4 days a week after the birth of her first child, and she often says I should do the same, because we sometimes find it financially difficult. However, it's a matter of what suits an individual. I certainly wouldn't tell her that she shouldn't go back to work for that amount of time.

Personally, I don't want to go back to work for that amount of time, and I only went back when my daughter was 6 months old as a matter of financial necessity, otherwise I would have waited until she was 1 year old. We deal with things being a bit financially tight sometimes because we prefer it that way.

So you do whatever you need to do, and don't worry about what others think. It's whatever suits you and your children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate that attitude! It&#8217;s <i>up to you</i>.</p>
<p>I have a friend who has gone back 4 days a week after the birth of her first child, and she often says I should do the same, because we sometimes find it financially difficult. However, it&#8217;s a matter of what suits an individual. I certainly wouldn&#8217;t tell her that she shouldn&#8217;t go back to work for that amount of time.</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t want to go back to work for that amount of time, and I only went back when my daughter was 6 months old as a matter of financial necessity, otherwise I would have waited until she was 1 year old. We deal with things being a bit financially tight sometimes because we prefer it that way.</p>
<p>So you do whatever you need to do, and don&#8217;t worry about what others think. It&#8217;s whatever suits you and your children.</p>
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		<title>By: artandmylife</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/03/pregnancy-is-not-an-illness/#comment-11762</link>
		<dc:creator>artandmylife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because the rest of my family were really sick and I had no family support I was right back into 'normal' routine the day after I had my last baby (grovery shopping etc). Its was an easy birth (#3) but I had been very sick throughout the pregnancy. I ran on the birth"high" the first week until my partner was well enough to help out again. However I would NOT recommend this to ANYONE - it was a "have to" situation. I have been back work part-time or doing post grad study very quickly after my other two children. Its 9 months now with #3 although I am doing a little writing and study at home, but I am heartily sick of people asking when I am going back to work. Its like I am some sort of weirdo for staying home with the kids</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because the rest of my family were really sick and I had no family support I was right back into &#8216;normal&#8217; routine the day after I had my last baby (grovery shopping etc). Its was an easy birth (#3) but I had been very sick throughout the pregnancy. I ran on the birth&#8221;high&#8221; the first week until my partner was well enough to help out again. However I would NOT recommend this to ANYONE - it was a &#8220;have to&#8221; situation. I have been back work part-time or doing post grad study very quickly after my other two children. Its 9 months now with #3 although I am doing a little writing and study at home, but I am heartily sick of people asking when I am going back to work. Its like I am some sort of weirdo for staying home with the kids</p>
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		<title>By: pete m</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/03/pregnancy-is-not-an-illness/#comment-11763</link>
		<dc:creator>pete m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>le - I am a bit mean about names and use the most  weird ones to put off people.  When they asked, for example, I said:

"if it's a boy, wolfgang or boris, and if a girl, petunia or apple".

Some took me seriously!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>le - I am a bit mean about names and use the most  weird ones to put off people.  When they asked, for example, I said:</p>
<p>&#8220;if it&#8217;s a boy, wolfgang or boris, and if a girl, petunia or apple&#8221;.</p>
<p>Some took me seriously!</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/03/pregnancy-is-not-an-illness/#comment-11765</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand not telling people gender - although I don't have the strength of will to resist finding out myself.

One thing I don't tell people is the names I have in mind, to avoid commentary/criticism. People can be rude when it's an idea only, but once the child is actually named, they have to be polite. Of course I've had nothing but glowing reports about my daughter's name. hehehe. I only came up with it about a week before she was born, but it suits her very well.

As for Cate's appointment - I understand that she is heading the arts committee. To be fair, she does have some qualification to comment on policy in the arts, as she and her husband run a theatre company, and she acts in plays and movies. I would hope that she'd be fair-minded enough to recognise positive contributions that successive governments have made to the arts.

But I really dislike it when celebrity opinions on matters other than acting are treated as though they are pearls of wisdom of a special value. The fact is that an actor's opinion on global warming or government policy or whatever is no more valuable than my opinion.  In fact, sometimes the opinions of celebrities can be downright moronic or insane (take Sheryl Crow's &lt;a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6583067.stm" rel="nofollow"&gt;suggestion that we should all be limited to one square of toilet paper&lt;/a&gt; per "go" as way of stopping Global Warming). Just because someone can act like a hero in a movie or sing a nice song doesn't mean that their opinions are more worthy or intelligent than anyone else's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand not telling people gender - although I don&#8217;t have the strength of will to resist finding out myself.</p>
<p>One thing I don&#8217;t tell people is the names I have in mind, to avoid commentary/criticism. People can be rude when it&#8217;s an idea only, but once the child is actually named, they have to be polite. Of course I&#8217;ve had nothing but glowing reports about my daughter&#8217;s name. hehehe. I only came up with it about a week before she was born, but it suits her very well.</p>
<p>As for Cate&#8217;s appointment - I understand that she is heading the arts committee. To be fair, she does have some qualification to comment on policy in the arts, as she and her husband run a theatre company, and she acts in plays and movies. I would hope that she&#8217;d be fair-minded enough to recognise positive contributions that successive governments have made to the arts.</p>
<p>But I really dislike it when celebrity opinions on matters other than acting are treated as though they are pearls of wisdom of a special value. The fact is that an actor&#8217;s opinion on global warming or government policy or whatever is no more valuable than my opinion.  In fact, sometimes the opinions of celebrities can be downright moronic or insane (take Sheryl Crow&#8217;s <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6583067.stm" rel="nofollow">suggestion that we should all be limited to one square of toilet paper</a> per &#8220;go&#8221; as way of stopping Global Warming). Just because someone can act like a hero in a movie or sing a nice song doesn&#8217;t mean that their opinions are more worthy or intelligent than anyone else&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: pete m</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/03/pregnancy-is-not-an-illness/#comment-11764</link>
		<dc:creator>pete m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 04:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could swap a dozen actors with Cate and not see a difference - you'll get the same lefty greeny howard hater opinions.  What's the big deal about which actor who knows it all going?  I bet they don't mention that a Howard tax rebate change on funding is the biggest impact the film arts world has ever seen, which is sad really.  The whole summit is just a big pr move to get ppl to "own" labor policy and therefore not cavil with it.  Watch out for media attendees and their reporting afterwards.

On the whole pregnancy thing, the biggest drama is knowing the sex but not telling people.  I wish I had now said we weren't finding out!  We did that with the first, which was true, but now are over the not knowing surprise bit and just enjoying the thought of having our next one and being able to buy a few things for "it".  haha I wont tell you either!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could swap a dozen actors with Cate and not see a difference - you&#8217;ll get the same lefty greeny howard hater opinions.  What&#8217;s the big deal about which actor who knows it all going?  I bet they don&#8217;t mention that a Howard tax rebate change on funding is the biggest impact the film arts world has ever seen, which is sad really.  The whole summit is just a big pr move to get ppl to &#8220;own&#8221; labor policy and therefore not cavil with it.  Watch out for media attendees and their reporting afterwards.</p>
<p>On the whole pregnancy thing, the biggest drama is knowing the sex but not telling people.  I wish I had now said we weren&#8217;t finding out!  We did that with the first, which was true, but now are over the not knowing surprise bit and just enjoying the thought of having our next one and being able to buy a few things for &#8220;it&#8221;.  haha I wont tell you either!</p>
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		<title>By: oscurosire</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/03/pregnancy-is-not-an-illness/#comment-11761</link>
		<dc:creator>oscurosire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your blog is beutiful and very interesting! If you want you can visit mine on http://www.oscurosire.wordpress.com. Thank you very much</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your blog is beutiful and very interesting! If you want you can visit mine on <a href="http://www.oscurosire.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.oscurosire.wordpress.com</a>. Thank you very much</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the books and stuff recommend that you "don't tell anyone" in case the pregnancy doesn't work out (the first 12 weeks are the danger period for miscarriages).

But that doesn't go with my personality - I'd rather people know why I was devastated than suffer in silence after a miscarriage. It makes it seem like a miscarriage is a kind of "shame" which should not be spoken about. I think that women should be allowed to speak out about pregnancy and/or miscarriage &lt;i&gt;if they want to&lt;/i&gt;. I do appreciate that some people might be more reserved or private than I am.

In any case, when I had my daughter, people guessed anyway because of my sudden cessation of drinking coffee and alcohol (two of my favourite tipples). Also I suddenly gained an enormous bosom and a tummy well before one is supposed to be "showing".

And there was that time when I was dry retching in the rubbish bin and my then boss came in... "You're pregnant!" he exclaimed. "Um, no, I have, um, a mild case of, um, gastro," I stuttered. "You're a pathetic liar too!" he laughed. "Ooh how exciting!" He had four children himself, and was very much a fan of parenthood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the books and stuff recommend that you &#8220;don&#8217;t tell anyone&#8221; in case the pregnancy doesn&#8217;t work out (the first 12 weeks are the danger period for miscarriages).</p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t go with my personality - I&#8217;d rather people know why I was devastated than suffer in silence after a miscarriage. It makes it seem like a miscarriage is a kind of &#8220;shame&#8221; which should not be spoken about. I think that women should be allowed to speak out about pregnancy and/or miscarriage <i>if they want to</i>. I do appreciate that some people might be more reserved or private than I am.</p>
<p>In any case, when I had my daughter, people guessed anyway because of my sudden cessation of drinking coffee and alcohol (two of my favourite tipples). Also I suddenly gained an enormous bosom and a tummy well before one is supposed to be &#8220;showing&#8221;.</p>
<p>And there was that time when I was dry retching in the rubbish bin and my then boss came in&#8230; &#8220;You&#8217;re pregnant!&#8221; he exclaimed. &#8220;Um, no, I have, um, a mild case of, um, gastro,&#8221; I stuttered. &#8220;You&#8217;re a pathetic liar too!&#8221; he laughed. &#8220;Ooh how exciting!&#8221; He had four children himself, and was very much a fan of parenthood.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/03/pregnancy-is-not-an-illness/#comment-11759</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cate obviously didn't plan her pregnancy around the 2020 Summit and the latter obviously weren't too concerned  or particularly mindful about her confinement.  Given that she was the only woman appointed it would have been hard for her and I guess ironic, if she had  declined their offer because she was due to give birth around that time.

I am not a mother but can certainly imagine the distraction of a newborn, however I've considered that at this delicate age they need only be within close physical proximity to their mother and are more or less pretty transportable and able go anywhere she can with relative impunity.

I think breast feeding at the 2020 Summit will be absolutely no issue whatsoever.  Paparazzi intrusions not withstanding.

I'd be more concerned about Cate's headspace prior to the 2020 Summit and leading up to the birth of her child.  Late stage pregnancy, belly protruding miles out in front, waiting, waiting, waiting--that's gotta be something of a distraction and the period prior to the 2020 Summit is when she'll be making decisions about who she nominates to attend.

Wouldn't ever like to see pregnant women being unfairly discriminated against but clearly it can never be business as usual, or shouldn't, although that's the yardstick many (mostly blokes) would judge by.

Oh and just wondering.

"when you aren’t supposed to tell anyone. "

Who writes these rules?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cate obviously didn&#8217;t plan her pregnancy around the 2020 Summit and the latter obviously weren&#8217;t too concerned  or particularly mindful about her confinement.  Given that she was the only woman appointed it would have been hard for her and I guess ironic, if she had  declined their offer because she was due to give birth around that time.</p>
<p>I am not a mother but can certainly imagine the distraction of a newborn, however I&#8217;ve considered that at this delicate age they need only be within close physical proximity to their mother and are more or less pretty transportable and able go anywhere she can with relative impunity.</p>
<p>I think breast feeding at the 2020 Summit will be absolutely no issue whatsoever.  Paparazzi intrusions not withstanding.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be more concerned about Cate&#8217;s headspace prior to the 2020 Summit and leading up to the birth of her child.  Late stage pregnancy, belly protruding miles out in front, waiting, waiting, waiting&#8211;that&#8217;s gotta be something of a distraction and the period prior to the 2020 Summit is when she&#8217;ll be making decisions about who she nominates to attend.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t ever like to see pregnant women being unfairly discriminated against but clearly it can never be business as usual, or shouldn&#8217;t, although that&#8217;s the yardstick many (mostly blokes) would judge by.</p>
<p>Oh and just wondering.</p>
<p>&#8220;when you aren’t supposed to tell anyone. &#8221;</p>
<p>Who writes these rules?</p>
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		<title>By: Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 11:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Eagle muses about her first pregnancy and Cate Blanchett&#8217;s current one [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 07:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's her third pregnancy - so I guess she does know what she's in for. I'd have less problem if the child were, say, three months old, because then they are less vulnerable.

I should make it clear that I'd support her 100% of the way if she breastfeeds in the 2020 conference. I've got no problem with that at all. I was merely concerned that she might not be able to breastfeed because of the conference.

Giving care to the husband/partner is not palming off - in fact, Cate's husband has every right to bond with their child just as much as she does. But I do think it's difficult in those first 6 weeks to give care to another for more than, say, 3 hours, the demands of breastfeeding being as they are. I maintain that she'd not be at her best.

Furthermore, I'd say the same about her husband if he were invited instead. He wouldn't have the same physical demands and effects, but he'd have the sleep deprivation, and he'd also be missing out on bonding with the child. I know my husband didn't feel at his most effective when he went back to work after I had my daughter - it's something that has impact on the whole family.

I dunno, I just hate that idea that you can "do it all" straight after having a child - I don't think you can, unless you have a lot of money, and pay other people to help you do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s her third pregnancy - so I guess she does know what she&#8217;s in for. I&#8217;d have less problem if the child were, say, three months old, because then they are less vulnerable.</p>
<p>I should make it clear that I&#8217;d support her 100% of the way if she breastfeeds in the 2020 conference. I&#8217;ve got no problem with that at all. I was merely concerned that she might not be able to breastfeed because of the conference.</p>
<p>Giving care to the husband/partner is not palming off - in fact, Cate&#8217;s husband has every right to bond with their child just as much as she does. But I do think it&#8217;s difficult in those first 6 weeks to give care to another for more than, say, 3 hours, the demands of breastfeeding being as they are. I maintain that she&#8217;d not be at her best.</p>
<p>Furthermore, I&#8217;d say the same about her husband if he were invited instead. He wouldn&#8217;t have the same physical demands and effects, but he&#8217;d have the sleep deprivation, and he&#8217;d also be missing out on bonding with the child. I know my husband didn&#8217;t feel at his most effective when he went back to work after I had my daughter - it&#8217;s something that has impact on the whole family.</p>
<p>I dunno, I just hate that idea that you can &#8220;do it all&#8221; straight after having a child - I don&#8217;t think you can, unless you have a lot of money, and pay other people to help you do it.</p>
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