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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: A Second Hand Conjecture &#187; ASHC is Alan Finch Central</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/05/the-left-hand-of-darkness/#comment-13627</link>
		<dc:creator>A Second Hand Conjecture &#187; ASHC is Alan Finch Central</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] readers like, I went looking for more recent news on him and discovered this cautionary page (via Skepticlawyer) from Lynn Conway, who is a quite content male-to-female transsexual very involved in community [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] readers like, I went looking for more recent news on him and discovered this cautionary page (via Skepticlawyer) from Lynn Conway, who is a quite content male-to-female transsexual very involved in community [...]</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer &#187; Women and sci-fi</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/05/the-left-hand-of-darkness/#comment-12663</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer &#187; Women and sci-fi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] over), John Wyndham (an early pioneer), William Gibson (cyberpunk guy), Ursula Le Guin (about whom I&#8217;ve posted before), Philip K. Dick (generator of ideas for many a great sci-fi movie). I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] over), John Wyndham (an early pioneer), William Gibson (cyberpunk guy), Ursula Le Guin (about whom I&#8217;ve posted before), Philip K. Dick (generator of ideas for many a great sci-fi movie). I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TerjeP</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/05/the-left-hand-of-darkness/#comment-12143</link>
		<dc:creator>TerjeP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 14:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people have real difficulty accepting the way they are. Then there are people that have real difficulty accepting the way that other people are. I suppose for some of the later group transgenders represent a phantom limb that shouldn't be. It's all a bit sad really. Personally I like people being quirky and different and surprising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people have real difficulty accepting the way they are. Then there are people that have real difficulty accepting the way that other people are. I suppose for some of the later group transgenders represent a phantom limb that shouldn&#8217;t be. It&#8217;s all a bit sad really. Personally I like people being quirky and different and surprising.</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/05/the-left-hand-of-darkness/#comment-12103</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 12:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I thought it was a good analysis for a non-lawyer (or a lawyer for that matter). I wouldn't have linked to it otherwise. It's a difficult thing to draw lines with people such as Anne-Maree/Paul - I think I'd probably need more evidence to come to a conclusive decision. It does seem more that s/he was dressing up in costume, but I don't know what s/he generally wears about the town (s/he may always wear glittering red dresses?). 

It does seem that the casino behaved in a most wowserish fashion, with no sense of humour whatsoever.

I'm really glad to hear you are happy - as I say, your picture looks so happy these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I thought it was a good analysis for a non-lawyer (or a lawyer for that matter). I wouldn&#8217;t have linked to it otherwise. It&#8217;s a difficult thing to draw lines with people such as Anne-Maree/Paul - I think I&#8217;d probably need more evidence to come to a conclusive decision. It does seem more that s/he was dressing up in costume, but I don&#8217;t know what s/he generally wears about the town (s/he may always wear glittering red dresses?). </p>
<p>It does seem that the casino behaved in a most wowserish fashion, with no sense of humour whatsoever.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really glad to hear you are happy - as I say, your picture looks so happy these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe Brain</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/05/the-left-hand-of-darkness/#comment-12101</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoe Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 12:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for the kind words, they were really appreciated.

Finding myself drafted into an objectively persecuted minority has been *most* educational, and I think in many ways, was the best thing that could have happened to me from that standpoint alone.

I'm also... happy. It's my default state these days. I keep on thinking the euphoria must wear off eventually, but so far it's shown no signs of doing.

I hope my amateur and amateurish legal analysis wasn't too far off the mark. If a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, then I'm a positive menace, for I've had no legal training, I suppose that's glaringly obvious!

All the best, Zoe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for the kind words, they were really appreciated.</p>
<p>Finding myself drafted into an objectively persecuted minority has been *most* educational, and I think in many ways, was the best thing that could have happened to me from that standpoint alone.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also&#8230; happy. It&#8217;s my default state these days. I keep on thinking the euphoria must wear off eventually, but so far it&#8217;s shown no signs of doing.</p>
<p>I hope my amateur and amateurish legal analysis wasn&#8217;t too far off the mark. If a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, then I&#8217;m a positive menace, for I&#8217;ve had no legal training, I suppose that&#8217;s glaringly obvious!</p>
<p>All the best, Zoe</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/05/the-left-hand-of-darkness/#comment-12100</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 11:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, Zoe's blog - I followed it through her surgery and transition, but I hadn't read it for a bit (most blogs dropped off my radar for a bit, actually). 

These days, she is looking so happy in her photo on her site. That is really good to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, Zoe&#8217;s blog - I followed it through her surgery and transition, but I hadn&#8217;t read it for a bit (most blogs dropped off my radar for a bit, actually). </p>
<p>These days, she is looking so happy in her photo on her site. That is really good to see.</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/05/the-left-hand-of-darkness/#comment-12092</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 08:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's a brilliant Ozblogger who's documented her surgery and transition. Link is here:

http://aebrain.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a brilliant Ozblogger who&#8217;s documented her surgery and transition. Link is here:</p>
<p><a href="http://aebrain.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://aebrain.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 06:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't think you were criticising me - just realised there were a few things which I didn't explain in the main post (eg, the difficult choice what to call the child in question - he or she). That's the problem of writing a post in the middle of the night!

It does make me cross when people say "oh people will be swapping gender all the time now" - I don't think it's something you would do unless you were absolutely desperate. Once you got me started on that, I was off and away on a rant...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t think you were criticising me - just realised there were a few things which I didn&#8217;t explain in the main post (eg, the difficult choice what to call the child in question - he or she). That&#8217;s the problem of writing a post in the middle of the night!</p>
<p>It does make me cross when people say &#8220;oh people will be swapping gender all the time now&#8221; - I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s something you would do unless you were absolutely desperate. Once you got me started on that, I was off and away on a rant&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 06:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, it was a lot like how I have heard phantom limb syndrome be described. Sensations and feelings in body parts that just weren't where they should be.

I was not, lest it sound like it, criticizing your article at all. Far from it! I thought it was very accurate and insightful. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, it was a lot like how I have heard phantom limb syndrome be described. Sensations and feelings in body parts that just weren&#8217;t where they should be.</p>
<p>I was not, lest it sound like it, criticizing your article at all. Far from it! I thought it was very accurate and insightful. <img src='http://skepticlawyer.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 03:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SRS surgery is certainly not an easy or a "casual" decision on my understanding! After reading some legal cases on the procedure that male to female SRS patients have to follow afterwards, it sounds like it is painful and gruelling. I am glad that your SRS operation went well, and that your partner was able to take the journey with you. As I understand it, the majority (up to 90%?) of SRS operations are successful and the person is much happier thereafter. 

However, to be fair, I did want to point out that there are a minority of cases where people change thinking that they are doing the right thing, but it turns out that it was not what they wanted, so one should think very carefully (as if one would do otherwise!!! - but anyway)

It's hard to know how to describe someone who is a girl on the outside and a boy on the inside. The internal does not match the external. We don't really have personal pronouns to describe that situation. I called "her" a "girl" but it sounds to me as though mentally "he" is a "boy", and so maybe it's better to refer to him as a boy.

I also wanted to explore other situations where someone may be unhappy with their gender but there may be other issues as well (as with the friend with whom I grew up). That's a situation where it's less clear cut as to what the person's identity is. The girl in question "came out" as a lesbian but sometimes I think it is rather that she wants to be masculine or asexual, and declaring oneself a lesbian is a way in which one can get away with behaving in that way. 

In the end - who am I to judge what her issues are? I accept her for what she is (with all the attendant confusion) - and support whatever choices she makes. It's a difficult path to follow for any human being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SRS surgery is certainly not an easy or a &#8220;casual&#8221; decision on my understanding! After reading some legal cases on the procedure that male to female SRS patients have to follow afterwards, it sounds like it is painful and gruelling. I am glad that your SRS operation went well, and that your partner was able to take the journey with you. As I understand it, the majority (up to 90%?) of SRS operations are successful and the person is much happier thereafter. </p>
<p>However, to be fair, I did want to point out that there are a minority of cases where people change thinking that they are doing the right thing, but it turns out that it was not what they wanted, so one should think very carefully (as if one would do otherwise!!! - but anyway)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to know how to describe someone who is a girl on the outside and a boy on the inside. The internal does not match the external. We don&#8217;t really have personal pronouns to describe that situation. I called &#8220;her&#8221; a &#8220;girl&#8221; but it sounds to me as though mentally &#8220;he&#8221; is a &#8220;boy&#8221;, and so maybe it&#8217;s better to refer to him as a boy.</p>
<p>I also wanted to explore other situations where someone may be unhappy with their gender but there may be other issues as well (as with the friend with whom I grew up). That&#8217;s a situation where it&#8217;s less clear cut as to what the person&#8217;s identity is. The girl in question &#8220;came out&#8221; as a lesbian but sometimes I think it is rather that she wants to be masculine or asexual, and declaring oneself a lesbian is a way in which one can get away with behaving in that way. </p>
<p>In the end - who am I to judge what her issues are? I accept her for what she is (with all the attendant confusion) - and support whatever choices she makes. It&#8217;s a difficult path to follow for any human being.</p>
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