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	<title>Comments on: Tyler Cowen&#8217;s &#8216;libertarian heresies&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson / The Fly Bottle &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Positively Heretical?</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/05/tyler-cowens-libertarian-heresies/#comment-12184</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson / The Fly Bottle &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Positively Heretical?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 16:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reports on a Tyler Cowen talk in which he divulges several &#8220;libertarian heresies,&#8221; one of which Skepticlawyer records [...]</description>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/05/tyler-cowens-libertarian-heresies/#comment-12174</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 11:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel, I do think you're right about the labelling. My initial reaction was to think it terms of 'positive liberty' as defined by Isaiah Berlin, with its attendant nasties. 'Capabilities' is an excellent alternative, and removes the baggage (quite legitimately, I might add) attached to the earlier concept.

I like your account of 'removing restrictions', and I think Sen makes a similar point. Some of his 'capabilities' are non-economic, but are about reducing the coerciveness of restrictions. He talks, for example, of 'being able to appear in public without shame', which may seem meaningless in the West, but is of vital importance to women in many parts of the Islamic world.

[I note that Will Wilkinson doesn't buy your language argument, and thinks that more liberty can be simply construed as more options. I'm not so sure of this. People can have options running out of their ears, but precious little liberty].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, I do think you&#8217;re right about the labelling. My initial reaction was to think it terms of &#8216;positive liberty&#8217; as defined by Isaiah Berlin, with its attendant nasties. &#8216;Capabilities&#8217; is an excellent alternative, and removes the baggage (quite legitimately, I might add) attached to the earlier concept.</p>
<p>I like your account of &#8216;removing restrictions&#8217;, and I think Sen makes a similar point. Some of his &#8216;capabilities&#8217; are non-economic, but are about reducing the coerciveness of restrictions. He talks, for example, of &#8216;being able to appear in public without shame&#8217;, which may seem meaningless in the West, but is of vital importance to women in many parts of the Islamic world.</p>
<p>[I note that Will Wilkinson doesn't buy your language argument, and thinks that more liberty can be simply construed as more options. I'm not so sure of this. People can have options running out of their ears, but precious little liberty].</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Klein</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/05/tyler-cowens-libertarian-heresies/#comment-12171</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Klein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 10:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two points on Tyler's talk (as summarized by skepticlawyer blog):

1. It might be good for Tyler to speak of positive capabilities as "positive liberty," but I think that, nonetheless, his doing so is bad for humankind (as compared to his just speaking of positive capabilities).

2. The expansion of positive capabilities enhances liberty ONLY by the channel that it reduces the coerciveness of restrictions. The coerciveness of a restriction ranges in magnitude, and a restriction is less coercive the less important to you it is. Expanding positive capabilities reduces the importance of any particular restriction. But it is only through this channel that the expansion of positive capabilities enhances liberty. Thus, "negative" liberty remains primary. Positive capabilities figure in only through the channel of negative liberty. Robinson Crusoe, alone on a desert island, is perfectly free, even though his positive capabilities are piss poor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two points on Tyler&#8217;s talk (as summarized by skepticlawyer blog):</p>
<p>1. It might be good for Tyler to speak of positive capabilities as &#8220;positive liberty,&#8221; but I think that, nonetheless, his doing so is bad for humankind (as compared to his just speaking of positive capabilities).</p>
<p>2. The expansion of positive capabilities enhances liberty ONLY by the channel that it reduces the coerciveness of restrictions. The coerciveness of a restriction ranges in magnitude, and a restriction is less coercive the less important to you it is. Expanding positive capabilities reduces the importance of any particular restriction. But it is only through this channel that the expansion of positive capabilities enhances liberty. Thus, &#8220;negative&#8221; liberty remains primary. Positive capabilities figure in only through the channel of negative liberty. Robinson Crusoe, alone on a desert island, is perfectly free, even though his positive capabilities are piss poor.</p>
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		<title>By: NPOV</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/05/tyler-cowens-libertarian-heresies/#comment-11973</link>
		<dc:creator>NPOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 01:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, but in most people's view there is every reason to believe lots of dodgy lenders and loan sharks would set themselves up as banks deliberately lending to people that couldn't afford their loans in a less regulated market too.
I don't think there's a economically prosperous country in the world without a well regulated banking sector, almost certainly for good reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, but in most people&#8217;s view there is every reason to believe lots of dodgy lenders and loan sharks would set themselves up as banks deliberately lending to people that couldn&#8217;t afford their loans in a less regulated market too.<br />
I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a economically prosperous country in the world without a well regulated banking sector, almost certainly for good reason.</p>
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		<title>By: TerjeP</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/05/tyler-cowens-libertarian-heresies/#comment-11968</link>
		<dc:creator>TerjeP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 12:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The barriers to new players entering the banking sector seem pretty huge already, even ignoring the regulatory requirements.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perhaps. However small scale loan operations exist in the black market and there is in my view every reason to believe that small local banks would be more common in a less regulated market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The barriers to new players entering the banking sector seem pretty huge already, even ignoring the regulatory requirements.</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps. However small scale loan operations exist in the black market and there is in my view every reason to believe that small local banks would be more common in a less regulated market.</p>
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		<title>By: What are People Saying About Liberty and Prosperity? &#171; Liberty and Prosperity for Today</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/05/tyler-cowens-libertarian-heresies/#comment-11963</link>
		<dc:creator>What are People Saying About Liberty and Prosperity? &#171; Liberty and Prosperity for Today</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 19:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Skepticlawyer presents Tyler Cowen&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer &#187; &#8216;We&#8217;ve all come to look for America&#8230;&#8217;</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/05/tyler-cowens-libertarian-heresies/#comment-11942</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer &#187; &#8216;We&#8217;ve all come to look for America&#8230;&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 23:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] then - despite my politics shifting as time passed - I never got around to it. Last week&#8217;s conference was my first visit, and wasn&#8217;t the best introduction, mainly because it rained. A lot. It got [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] then - despite my politics shifting as time passed - I never got around to it. Last week&#8217;s conference was my first visit, and wasn&#8217;t the best introduction, mainly because it rained. A lot. It got [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/05/tyler-cowens-libertarian-heresies/#comment-11928</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 13:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's a complicated thing - the more people get used to the idea that the government &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; do something, the less they take individual responsibility. I think this is what Noel Pearson and others are alluding to in relation to indigenous policy - the level of governance is so high people are robbed of self agency. It's a question of balancing government intervention so that people are not robbed of self-motivation, but also providing sufficient services where appropriate.

I don't know what the answer is. It is undeniable that the government promising to come in and "solving" all your problems sounds great to voters...so governments keep doing it. 

I guess all the other side can do is to keep it real, and point out that sometimes the cure can be as bad as the disease (as with indigenous policy, which has not led to an improvement in indigenous health and education, despite the noble aims of many of those who implemented government intervention). But it's a less immediately attractive position, to be sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a complicated thing - the more people get used to the idea that the government <i>should</i> do something, the less they take individual responsibility. I think this is what Noel Pearson and others are alluding to in relation to indigenous policy - the level of governance is so high people are robbed of self agency. It&#8217;s a question of balancing government intervention so that people are not robbed of self-motivation, but also providing sufficient services where appropriate.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what the answer is. It is undeniable that the government promising to come in and &#8220;solving&#8221; all your problems sounds great to voters&#8230;so governments keep doing it. </p>
<p>I guess all the other side can do is to keep it real, and point out that sometimes the cure can be as bad as the disease (as with indigenous policy, which has not led to an improvement in indigenous health and education, despite the noble aims of many of those who implemented government intervention). But it&#8217;s a less immediately attractive position, to be sure.</p>
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		<title>By: NPOV</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/05/tyler-cowens-libertarian-heresies/#comment-11927</link>
		<dc:creator>NPOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 03:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legal Eagle - that much I do agree with: the mindset that "the government should do something" is something that rarely seems to get questioned.  But if it this in an aspect of human nature (the desire to let others look after problems), then what can be done to help combat it?
Is there way that we can better motivate individuals to contribute towards working to solve problems that they might otherwise prefer to leave to governments?  In a multi-party democracy, if one party is blithely offering to solve all prospective voters' problems, how can others present a more attractive alternative?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legal Eagle - that much I do agree with: the mindset that &#8220;the government should do something&#8221; is something that rarely seems to get questioned.  But if it this in an aspect of human nature (the desire to let others look after problems), then what can be done to help combat it?<br />
Is there way that we can better motivate individuals to contribute towards working to solve problems that they might otherwise prefer to leave to governments?  In a multi-party democracy, if one party is blithely offering to solve all prospective voters&#8217; problems, how can others present a more attractive alternative?</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/05/tyler-cowens-libertarian-heresies/#comment-11926</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 02:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should state that I am certainly not a supporter of government inefficiency and bureaucracy for the sake of it. I merely wished to make the point that I think it takes less people to govern a reasonably homogenous population of 1 million than it does to govern a reasonably diverse population of 20 million.

I worked in government for 4 years or so, and the proliferation of useless bureaucracy during that period was very frustrating. The people who actually did something useful were not given adequate resources; rather, another layer of bureaucracy was added on top to set out "strategic visions" and suchlike...I still don't really know what they actually did? Nothing changed at the ground level. Grrr...

I'm not sure that I agree with the analysis that people cede power to the government because they feel helpless. In some ways, I think people like to make things the government's responsibility so that it's someone else's fault when things go wrong. Nasty and cynical, I know, but I can't help it.

When I lived in the UK, I remember there was an article in the local newspaper about a couple living in a council house where a hole had developed in their garden fence. Their children had managed to escape through the hole onto the road on a few occasions. The article said it was a scandal that the government had taken so long to fix the hole. My first thought was, "Surely if your children were at risk, you'd take matters into your own hands and develop a makeshift solution while you waited for the council to do something? Lash a tarpaulin to the fence, or nail wood over the hole or something?" Obviously for this couple, it was easier to say that was someone else's fault than to take some responsibility...

So I think another explanation of why people cede power to government is because they want problems to be someone else's responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should state that I am certainly not a supporter of government inefficiency and bureaucracy for the sake of it. I merely wished to make the point that I think it takes less people to govern a reasonably homogenous population of 1 million than it does to govern a reasonably diverse population of 20 million.</p>
<p>I worked in government for 4 years or so, and the proliferation of useless bureaucracy during that period was very frustrating. The people who actually did something useful were not given adequate resources; rather, another layer of bureaucracy was added on top to set out &#8220;strategic visions&#8221; and suchlike&#8230;I still don&#8217;t really know what they actually did? Nothing changed at the ground level. Grrr&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that I agree with the analysis that people cede power to the government because they feel helpless. In some ways, I think people like to make things the government&#8217;s responsibility so that it&#8217;s someone else&#8217;s fault when things go wrong. Nasty and cynical, I know, but I can&#8217;t help it.</p>
<p>When I lived in the UK, I remember there was an article in the local newspaper about a couple living in a council house where a hole had developed in their garden fence. Their children had managed to escape through the hole onto the road on a few occasions. The article said it was a scandal that the government had taken so long to fix the hole. My first thought was, &#8220;Surely if your children were at risk, you&#8217;d take matters into your own hands and develop a makeshift solution while you waited for the council to do something? Lash a tarpaulin to the fence, or nail wood over the hole or something?&#8221; Obviously for this couple, it was easier to say that was someone else&#8217;s fault than to take some responsibility&#8230;</p>
<p>So I think another explanation of why people cede power to government is because they want problems to be someone else&#8217;s responsibility.</p>
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