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	<title>Comments on: David Davis for Freedom</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/06/david-davis-for-freedom/#comment-12580</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, whoever decided to split the Home Office in two and call the new bit 'the Ministry of Justice' obviously hasn't read George Orwell. Creepy by name, creepy by nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, whoever decided to split the Home Office in two and call the new bit &#8216;the Ministry of Justice&#8217; obviously hasn&#8217;t read George Orwell. Creepy by name, creepy by nature.</p>
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		<title>By: DeusExMacintosh</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/06/david-davis-for-freedom/#comment-12577</link>
		<dc:creator>DeusExMacintosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 06:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the British public do have a strong sense of liberty and can’t be led /misled too easily.&lt;/i&gt;

Unfortunately I'm not sure that's true, Nanu. The public have given Labour an awful lot of leeway over the years and trust has taken an extremely long time to grind down (though the lack of pre-Cameron alternatives played its part). It has finally sunk in that Labour's political approach is to decide what they want to do (assisted by highly paid consultants who remain unaccountable due to 'commercial confidentiality') and then sell it to the electorate rather than listen to what &lt;b&gt;voters&lt;/b&gt; think. In the 1960s in America there was a million man march on Washington which led to the creation of the civil rights movement. Forty years later &lt;b&gt;two&lt;/b&gt; million people marched on London and couldn't stop a war that hadn't even started yet!

I'm constantly horrified by the constitutional rape that Labour has committed in the name of 'modernisation' but the area is considered esoteric and gets very little media coverage. Political programs tell you what has already happened in parliament each day but there is no magazine program that would examine upcoming legislation and debate the pros and cons a week in advance so the public really knew what was going on and could follow the actual debate in the House.

A sense of liberty requires a sense of empathy which seems to be sorely lacking in UK society of late. No one seems to be asking "would this leglisation be fair if applied to me or another innocent person?" Instead we assume that could only happens to somebody else, regardless of whether that's detention without trial or benefit reform. Unless you're middle class, middle aged and mortgaged the main three parties have very little to offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the British public do have a strong sense of liberty and can’t be led /misled too easily.</i></p>
<p>Unfortunately I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s true, Nanu. The public have given Labour an awful lot of leeway over the years and trust has taken an extremely long time to grind down (though the lack of pre-Cameron alternatives played its part). It has finally sunk in that Labour&#8217;s political approach is to decide what they want to do (assisted by highly paid consultants who remain unaccountable due to &#8216;commercial confidentiality&#8217;) and then sell it to the electorate rather than listen to what <b>voters</b> think. In the 1960s in America there was a million man march on Washington which led to the creation of the civil rights movement. Forty years later <b>two</b> million people marched on London and couldn&#8217;t stop a war that hadn&#8217;t even started yet!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m constantly horrified by the constitutional rape that Labour has committed in the name of &#8216;modernisation&#8217; but the area is considered esoteric and gets very little media coverage. Political programs tell you what has already happened in parliament each day but there is no magazine program that would examine upcoming legislation and debate the pros and cons a week in advance so the public really knew what was going on and could follow the actual debate in the House.</p>
<p>A sense of liberty requires a sense of empathy which seems to be sorely lacking in UK society of late. No one seems to be asking &#8220;would this leglisation be fair if applied to me or another innocent person?&#8221; Instead we assume that could only happens to somebody else, regardless of whether that&#8217;s detention without trial or benefit reform. Unless you&#8217;re middle class, middle aged and mortgaged the main three parties have very little to offer.</p>
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		<title>By: DeusExMacintosh</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/06/david-davis-for-freedom/#comment-12576</link>
		<dc:creator>DeusExMacintosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 06:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far Labour seem determined to run with the line that this is about divisions in the Conservative Party but I'm not sure the public is buying it. The decision not to put a candidate forward looks like simple cowardice to me, and a further example of the "we know better" tendency of new labour. I think the electorate is finally bored of being ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far Labour seem determined to run with the line that this is about divisions in the Conservative Party but I&#8217;m not sure the public is buying it. The decision not to put a candidate forward looks like simple cowardice to me, and a further example of the &#8220;we know better&#8221; tendency of new labour. I think the electorate is finally bored of being ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: This is a good Australian Blog&#8230; &#171; The Libertarian Alliance: BLOG</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/06/david-davis-for-freedom/#comment-12566</link>
		<dc:creator>This is a good Australian Blog&#8230; &#171; The Libertarian Alliance: BLOG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 19 June, 2008 &#183; No Comments  &#8230;and he said this about David Davis. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nanu</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/06/david-davis-for-freedom/#comment-12564</link>
		<dc:creator>Nanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not going to comment specifically as I have to catch up on what's going on, but I will say that unlike the Australian public, the British public do have a strong sense of liberty and can't be led /misled too easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not going to comment specifically as I have to catch up on what&#8217;s going on, but I will say that unlike the Australian public, the British public do have a strong sense of liberty and can&#8217;t be led /misled too easily.</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/06/david-davis-for-freedom/#comment-12562</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrien, I think I'll add that bit into the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrien, I think I&#8217;ll add that bit into the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/06/david-davis-for-freedom/#comment-12560</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good. I was about to write it again. And I'm lazy so thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good. I was about to write it again. And I&#8217;m lazy so thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/06/david-davis-for-freedom/#comment-12559</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon and Adrien - just rescued your comments from the spam bin - it's a bit overeager sometimes! Sorry about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon and Adrien - just rescued your comments from the spam bin - it&#8217;s a bit overeager sometimes! Sorry about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/06/david-davis-for-freedom/#comment-12558</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple, I thought of that too - I drive past his office sometimes... Obviously those called David Davis have a tendency to become political beasts of a conservative stripe, no matter what continent they are in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple, I thought of that too - I drive past his office sometimes&#8230; Obviously those called David Davis have a tendency to become political beasts of a conservative stripe, no matter what continent they are in.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/06/david-davis-for-freedom/#comment-12552</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. You left out the &lt;a href="http://libertarianalliance.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/why-we-support-david-davis" rel="nofollow"&gt;scuttlebutt that Murdoch instructed MacKenzie&lt;/a&gt; to run:

&lt;blockquote&gt;For the first time in his life, however, Rupert Murdoch might be about to do something useful. With his blend of sordid soft pornography and low puritanism, and with his amoral endorsement of whatever lets him grow richer and more powerful, he has spent the past half century corrupting everything he touches. Now, it seems he has instructed Kelvin MacKenzie, a former Editor of The Sun, to put himself forward as a candidate to defend no limits on internment, and compulsory identity cards for all, and probably universal inclusion in the DNA database. If Mr MacKenzie does stand, he can count on unlimited funding and solid media support.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ouch this dude really hates Rupert. I mean I've criticized Rupert but that first lines a bit much.

Still Rupert's &lt;i&gt;way&lt;/i&gt; over the line here. He's probably well-used to having a unique position as the individual whose wielded the most political influence in the Anglosphere over the last few decades. Given his Imperator status is unusual and not sustainable after his death it's doubtful that we'd be able to target this kind of behaviour so personally in the future. But in essence it seems he's personally determined to assist the rollback of civil liberty that characterizes the post-911 Anglosphere.
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This collusion between corporations who wish to embed themselves in their current positions (ie create rigid oligopolies or monopolies) and the counterparts in government who tend to control is a trend that worries me a lot more than terrorism. It's really heartening to see the Brits kick back. I wish we would and I &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; wish the Yanks would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. You left out the <a href="http://libertarianalliance.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/why-we-support-david-davis" rel="nofollow">scuttlebutt that Murdoch instructed MacKenzie</a> to run:</p>
<blockquote><p>For the first time in his life, however, Rupert Murdoch might be about to do something useful. With his blend of sordid soft pornography and low puritanism, and with his amoral endorsement of whatever lets him grow richer and more powerful, he has spent the past half century corrupting everything he touches. Now, it seems he has instructed Kelvin MacKenzie, a former Editor of The Sun, to put himself forward as a candidate to defend no limits on internment, and compulsory identity cards for all, and probably universal inclusion in the DNA database. If Mr MacKenzie does stand, he can count on unlimited funding and solid media support.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ouch this dude really hates Rupert. I mean I&#8217;ve criticized Rupert but that first lines a bit much.</p>
<p>Still Rupert&#8217;s <i>way</i> over the line here. He&#8217;s probably well-used to having a unique position as the individual whose wielded the most political influence in the Anglosphere over the last few decades. Given his Imperator status is unusual and not sustainable after his death it&#8217;s doubtful that we&#8217;d be able to target this kind of behaviour so personally in the future. But in essence it seems he&#8217;s personally determined to assist the rollback of civil liberty that characterizes the post-911 Anglosphere.<br />
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This collusion between corporations who wish to embed themselves in their current positions (ie create rigid oligopolies or monopolies) and the counterparts in government who tend to control is a trend that worries me a lot more than terrorism. It&#8217;s really heartening to see the Brits kick back. I wish we would and I <i>really</i> wish the Yanks would.</p>
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