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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer &#187; Broken Windows and World Youth Day 08</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/07/nanny-knows-best/#comment-13205</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer &#187; Broken Windows and World Youth Day 08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] or &#8216;harassment, alarm or distress&#8217;. As I&#8217;ve already argued, this is part of a general &#8216;ban-happy&#8217; (and very statist) trend in many Western democracies. By contrast, Kelling and Wilson - in a proposal that shocks many [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] or &#8216;harassment, alarm or distress&#8217;. As I&#8217;ve already argued, this is part of a general &#8216;ban-happy&#8217; (and very statist) trend in many Western democracies. By contrast, Kelling and Wilson - in a proposal that shocks many [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/07/nanny-knows-best/#comment-12995</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely - that's why I think you have to be really careful intervening in things - sometimes even the best-intentioned actions can have unintended unanticipated adverse effects. 

I'm always wary of people who think that they know what's best for the rest of us...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely - that&#8217;s why I think you have to be really careful intervening in things - sometimes even the best-intentioned actions can have unintended unanticipated adverse effects. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m always wary of people who think that they know what&#8217;s best for the rest of us&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/07/nanny-knows-best/#comment-12993</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. And Mises pointed out that one intervention often causes problems which lead to another, and then another ...

As is sometimes said in programming: the fastest, most secure code is the code you don't write in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. And Mises pointed out that one intervention often causes problems which lead to another, and then another &#8230;</p>
<p>As is sometimes said in programming: the fastest, most secure code is the code you don&#8217;t write in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/07/nanny-knows-best/#comment-12992</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacques, that's Richard Epstein's argument, but it's one with which I wholly agree - too much law, too many lawyers. Turning all our social rules into law is part of the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacques, that&#8217;s Richard Epstein&#8217;s argument, but it&#8217;s one with which I wholly agree - too much law, too many lawyers. Turning all our social rules into law is part of the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/07/nanny-knows-best/#comment-12991</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 06:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I can summarise your argument:

Law leads to lawyers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I can summarise your argument:</p>
<p>Law leads to lawyers.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/07/nanny-knows-best/#comment-12988</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 05:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,
Is that like lawyers attempting to ensure that they get elected to the various Parliaments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,<br />
Is that like lawyers attempting to ensure that they get elected to the various Parliaments?</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/07/nanny-knows-best/#comment-12986</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SL

Spot on. But the ex-Marxist in me cannot help but reduce it to economics, class-interests, and wealth-seeking. See, these multiculti types think they are altruistic, "helping the little people" - wogs, sheilahs, poofs, etc. I have a different take. "Helping" always involves passing laws, setting up taskforces, commissions, research units, policy advisers, law-enforcers, diversity officers and so on. 

Then of course hordes of new "professionals" must be paid to "implement" all this altruism. 

Now where does this money come? Firstly the taxpayer. And what types will need to be employed? Brickies? Well no. Middle-class people who have stuydied Social Studies at university. That is, the Nanny-staters own CLASS.

To summarise your honour. The multiculti Left (I shall you honour you by omitting the "L" word ;)) is a CLASS movement, whose class interests are advanced by being able to transfer as much of the tax take and federal/state budgets to employ their fellow class members to pimp ideologies that demand first and foremostly increasing amounts of tax dollars channelled into their own pockets. 

In other words, bourgeois class warfare. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SL</p>
<p>Spot on. But the ex-Marxist in me cannot help but reduce it to economics, class-interests, and wealth-seeking. See, these multiculti types think they are altruistic, &#8220;helping the little people&#8221; - wogs, sheilahs, poofs, etc. I have a different take. &#8220;Helping&#8221; always involves passing laws, setting up taskforces, commissions, research units, policy advisers, law-enforcers, diversity officers and so on. </p>
<p>Then of course hordes of new &#8220;professionals&#8221; must be paid to &#8220;implement&#8221; all this altruism. </p>
<p>Now where does this money come? Firstly the taxpayer. And what types will need to be employed? Brickies? Well no. Middle-class people who have stuydied Social Studies at university. That is, the Nanny-staters own CLASS.</p>
<p>To summarise your honour. The multiculti Left (I shall you honour you by omitting the &#8220;L&#8221; word ;)) is a CLASS movement, whose class interests are advanced by being able to transfer as much of the tax take and federal/state budgets to employ their fellow class members to pimp ideologies that demand first and foremostly increasing amounts of tax dollars channelled into their own pockets. </p>
<p>In other words, bourgeois class warfare. <img src='http://skepticlawyer.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/07/nanny-knows-best/#comment-12985</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made this point on the &lt;a href="http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/06/david-davis-for-freedom/" rel="nofollow"&gt;David Davis thread&lt;/a&gt;, and I think it's pertinent to what you've raised, John:&lt;blockquote&gt;New Labour - like other left parties around the world - found that the price of power was abandoning socialist economics. It continued nonetheless to support many of the ‘group rights’ and ‘positive liberties’ characteristic of the old left. Multiculturalism, anti-vilification laws, ‘community safety’ (much of the support for ASBOs came from Labour’s traditional, working-class constituency), generous benefits coupled with mutual obligation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made this point on the <a href="http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/06/david-davis-for-freedom/" rel="nofollow">David Davis thread</a>, and I think it&#8217;s pertinent to what you&#8217;ve raised, John:<br />
<blockquote>New Labour - like other left parties around the world - found that the price of power was abandoning socialist economics. It continued nonetheless to support many of the ‘group rights’ and ‘positive liberties’ characteristic of the old left. Multiculturalism, anti-vilification laws, ‘community safety’ (much of the support for ASBOs came from Labour’s traditional, working-class constituency), generous benefits coupled with mutual obligation.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/07/nanny-knows-best/#comment-12984</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's an interesting take on this in the &lt;i&gt;IPA Review&lt;/i&gt; about how the Left has substituted nannying - via its obssession with  regulation - for Socialism. I wonder which is worse? Either way, the Left is always first and foremost concerned with how to transfer as many tax dollars to themselves and their nannying mates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an interesting take on this in the <i>IPA Review</i> about how the Left has substituted nannying - via its obssession with  regulation - for Socialism. I wonder which is worse? Either way, the Left is always first and foremost concerned with how to transfer as many tax dollars to themselves and their nannying mates.</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/07/nanny-knows-best/#comment-12983</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, definitely - law as law itself.

My conference paper is on justifying certain types of private law liability in particular - Ernest Weinrib says we have to be able to justify to a defendant why he is liable to that particular plaintiff in that particular way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, definitely - law as law itself.</p>
<p>My conference paper is on justifying certain types of private law liability in particular - Ernest Weinrib says we have to be able to justify to a defendant why he is liable to that particular plaintiff in that particular way.</p>
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