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	<title>Comments on: What is it with Rudd and Hayek? Guest post by Sinclair Davidson</title>
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		<title>By: Rafe</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/08/what-is-it-with-rudd-and-hayek-guest-post-by-sinclair-davidson/comment-page-1/#comment-13796</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You beat me to it Sinc, BTW Hartwich is coming to work at the Centre for Independent Studies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You beat me to it Sinc, BTW Hartwich is coming to work at the Centre for Independent Studies.</p>
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		<title>By: Sinclair Davidson</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/08/what-is-it-with-rudd-and-hayek-guest-post-by-sinclair-davidson/comment-page-1/#comment-13790</link>
		<dc:creator>Sinclair Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. At least I was bumped for a better piece on the same topic. I've previously lost a spot on stuff that isn't (IMHO of course   :)  )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. At least I was bumped for a better piece on the same topic. I&#8217;ve previously lost a spot on stuff that isn&#8217;t (IMHO of course   <img src='http://skepticlawyer.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/08/what-is-it-with-rudd-and-hayek-guest-post-by-sinclair-davidson/comment-page-1/#comment-13788</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that Sinc. V. good indeed - looks like you got 'bumped' as they say in aviation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that Sinc. V. good indeed - looks like you got &#8216;bumped&#8217; as they say in aviation!</p>
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		<title>By: Sinclair Davidson</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/08/what-is-it-with-rudd-and-hayek-guest-post-by-sinclair-davidson/comment-page-1/#comment-13786</link>
		<dc:creator>Sinclair Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oliver Hartwich has published &lt;a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24176667-7583,00.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;a piece&lt;/a&gt; in the Oz responding to Rudd. It is very good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oliver Hartwich has published <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24176667-7583,00.html" rel="nofollow">a piece</a> in the Oz responding to Rudd. It is very good.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/08/what-is-it-with-rudd-and-hayek-guest-post-by-sinclair-davidson/comment-page-1/#comment-13773</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Huh I live in a Blue Ribbon Liberal seat.&lt;/i&gt;

I used to live in Jeff Kennett's neighbourhood. Every day he'd return in his limo (a few public artworks in the boot wink wink). I'd throw eggs at him. Not out of political objection however. I just hate white limos and his bloody haircut.

He always caught them in a net. Why pay for eggs - cheap Scottish bastard!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Huh I live in a Blue Ribbon Liberal seat.</i></p>
<p>I used to live in Jeff Kennett&#8217;s neighbourhood. Every day he&#8217;d return in his limo (a few public artworks in the boot wink wink). I&#8217;d throw eggs at him. Not out of political objection however. I just hate white limos and his bloody haircut.</p>
<p>He always caught them in a net. Why pay for eggs - cheap Scottish bastard!</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh I live in a Blue Ribbon Liberal seat.

Why is it that I've always lived in safe seats (either safe Labor or safe Lib?) Surely I'd have gotten more bang for my buck by living in a marginal seat...must plan better next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh I live in a Blue Ribbon Liberal seat.</p>
<p>Why is it that I&#8217;ve always lived in safe seats (either safe Labor or safe Lib?) Surely I&#8217;d have gotten more bang for my buck by living in a marginal seat&#8230;must plan better next time.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think Howard got voted out because people were ready for a change, and wanted a more “socially aware” government. I voted for this mob, but my fear now is that they are into appearances over substance, economically speaking - make it look like you’re doing something, and don’t worry if it has the effect you want or not.&lt;/i&gt;

It might be nice if politicians who want to be socially aware to try and figure out a way of doing this that isn't useless and/or destructive. Rudd's economic policies seem straight out Britain c 1960. Obama &lt;i&gt;appears&lt;/i&gt; to intend to do this considering his heterodox policy advisors. However he does have a big shopping list.  That's the trouble with politicians it's easy to spend other people's money. 

I didn't vote for Rudd. I live in a safe Labor seat. Never make it too easy for 'em I say. I did want Howard out he'd become a real pain. 

Voted for the Greens by way of the LDP. I've voted Green in the upper house for a while. Something about sending a message viz the environment to the major parties. The LDP thing was a message to the Greens. 

I reckon one message got thru and one did not. But ta-ta the Greens, useless buggers.

Maybe a huge billboard outside Parliament House:

ATTENTION: THROWING PUBLIC MONEY AT PROBLEMS SOLVES THEM &lt;b&gt;NOT!!&lt;/b&gt;.

Well &lt;i&gt;sometimes&lt;/i&gt; it solves 'em. Kinda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think Howard got voted out because people were ready for a change, and wanted a more “socially aware” government. I voted for this mob, but my fear now is that they are into appearances over substance, economically speaking - make it look like you’re doing something, and don’t worry if it has the effect you want or not.</i></p>
<p>It might be nice if politicians who want to be socially aware to try and figure out a way of doing this that isn&#8217;t useless and/or destructive. Rudd&#8217;s economic policies seem straight out Britain c 1960. Obama <i>appears</i> to intend to do this considering his heterodox policy advisors. However he does have a big shopping list.  That&#8217;s the trouble with politicians it&#8217;s easy to spend other people&#8217;s money. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t vote for Rudd. I live in a safe Labor seat. Never make it too easy for &#8216;em I say. I did want Howard out he&#8217;d become a real pain. </p>
<p>Voted for the Greens by way of the LDP. I&#8217;ve voted Green in the upper house for a while. Something about sending a message viz the environment to the major parties. The LDP thing was a message to the Greens. </p>
<p>I reckon one message got thru and one did not. But ta-ta the Greens, useless buggers.</p>
<p>Maybe a huge billboard outside Parliament House:</p>
<p>ATTENTION: THROWING PUBLIC MONEY AT PROBLEMS SOLVES THEM <b>NOT!!</b>.</p>
<p>Well <i>sometimes</i> it solves &#8216;em. Kinda.</p>
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		<title>By: ennui</title>
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		<dc:creator>ennui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legal Eagle, I think your observation re Howard's demise is accurate. (as is Adrien's)
 
An additional factor was his loss of credibility, trust, honesty etc amongst the general public. Simply look at the history :-
core/non core promises, the children overboard episode, the AWB affair, the flagrant exploitation of "fear"to drive an issue, failure to enforce even basic ministerial standards, the blatant use of staffers to defend ministerial actons or inactions.

I think many people saw dishonesty as an intrinsic component of Howard's modus operandi!

Combined with a failure in the area of economic reform in - particularly in the last  2 terms - made the public very cynical. 

Howard did run out of puff but Liberal supporters could rightfully ask where was some vitality from the then Treasurer!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legal Eagle, I think your observation re Howard&#8217;s demise is accurate. (as is Adrien&#8217;s)</p>
<p>An additional factor was his loss of credibility, trust, honesty etc amongst the general public. Simply look at the history :-<br />
core/non core promises, the children overboard episode, the AWB affair, the flagrant exploitation of &#8220;fear&#8221;to drive an issue, failure to enforce even basic ministerial standards, the blatant use of staffers to defend ministerial actons or inactions.</p>
<p>I think many people saw dishonesty as an intrinsic component of Howard&#8217;s modus operandi!</p>
<p>Combined with a failure in the area of economic reform in - particularly in the last  2 terms - made the public very cynical. </p>
<p>Howard did run out of puff but Liberal supporters could rightfully ask where was some vitality from the then Treasurer!!</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I reckon most people wouldn't know who Hayek was or have any idea of the substance of his arguments. They'd just have a vague idea that he was someone who was very pro-free-market, if anything.

I think Howard got voted out because people were ready for a change, and wanted a more "socially aware" government. I voted for this mob, but my fear now is that they are into appearances over substance, economically speaking - make it look like you're doing something, and don't worry if it has the effect you want or not. 

I'm particularly worried that the ETS might send our economy off a cliff, all for ideological reasons rather than any practical difference that we can make. 

To be fair, the previous mob were also guilty of economic reforms for the sake of window dressing too eg, first home buyer's grant and baby bonus (as I said in a &lt;a href="http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/06/rebates-and-bonuses/" rel="nofollow"&gt;previous post&lt;/a&gt;, the net effect of all these rebates and bonuses is usually minimal because of resultant market distortion).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I reckon most people wouldn&#8217;t know who Hayek was or have any idea of the substance of his arguments. They&#8217;d just have a vague idea that he was someone who was very pro-free-market, if anything.</p>
<p>I think Howard got voted out because people were ready for a change, and wanted a more &#8220;socially aware&#8221; government. I voted for this mob, but my fear now is that they are into appearances over substance, economically speaking - make it look like you&#8217;re doing something, and don&#8217;t worry if it has the effect you want or not. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m particularly worried that the ETS might send our economy off a cliff, all for ideological reasons rather than any practical difference that we can make. </p>
<p>To be fair, the previous mob were also guilty of economic reforms for the sake of window dressing too eg, first home buyer&#8217;s grant and baby bonus (as I said in a <a href="http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/06/rebates-and-bonuses/" rel="nofollow">previous post</a>, the net effect of all these rebates and bonuses is usually minimal because of resultant market distortion).</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The proverbial drover’s dog should be able to win elections with about 90% of the working press and media actively supporting the ALP plus massive trade union funding&lt;/i&gt;

I'm sorry Rafe but the idea that the overwhelming majority of those in the media are the robotic agitprop agents of the ALP is just hooey. 

Kevvie played Howard very well last year. And Howard just ran out of puff. His best shot was: &lt;i&gt;Please&lt;/i&gt; vote for me again, I like this job. Pathetic. Time to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The proverbial drover’s dog should be able to win elections with about 90% of the working press and media actively supporting the ALP plus massive trade union funding</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry Rafe but the idea that the overwhelming majority of those in the media are the robotic agitprop agents of the ALP is just hooey. </p>
<p>Kevvie played Howard very well last year. And Howard just ran out of puff. His best shot was: <i>Please</i> vote for me again, I like this job. Pathetic. Time to go.</p>
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