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	<title>Comments on: On being good at &#8216;girly stuff&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: DeusExMacintosh</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/09/05/on-being-good-at-girly-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-15954</link>
		<dc:creator>DeusExMacintosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 11:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it was interesting that Blair chose to postpone his official conversion until AFTER he&#039;d left office even though everyone could see it coming miles away. Seems there still may be some residual concern about having a Catholic national leader amongst the political classes. As far as I know, it&#039;s still illegal to have a catholic monarch but there&#039;s been no legislation against a catholic prime minister (though Disraeli who was Jewish converted to Anglicanism). In the UK there ISN&#039;T a formal separation of church and state - thank you Henry VIII - the head of state/monarch is still head of the Church of England, established as the &#039;official&#039; religion of the country.

Vis WWJD, I seem to remember something along the lines of &quot;render unto Caesar...&quot;

LE, yes lapdancing culture has made it to Britain too and there are bright sparks working in The City who still think it&#039;s appropriate to have meetings there. Turns my stomach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it was interesting that Blair chose to postpone his official conversion until AFTER he&#8217;d left office even though everyone could see it coming miles away. Seems there still may be some residual concern about having a Catholic national leader amongst the political classes. As far as I know, it&#8217;s still illegal to have a catholic monarch but there&#8217;s been no legislation against a catholic prime minister (though Disraeli who was Jewish converted to Anglicanism). In the UK there ISN&#8217;T a formal separation of church and state &#8211; thank you Henry VIII &#8211; the head of state/monarch is still head of the Church of England, established as the &#8216;official&#8217; religion of the country.</p>
<p>Vis WWJD, I seem to remember something along the lines of &#8220;render unto Caesar&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>LE, yes lapdancing culture has made it to Britain too and there are bright sparks working in The City who still think it&#8217;s appropriate to have meetings there. Turns my stomach.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Blair’s not a born again Christian, Adrien, he’s a catholic convert. &lt;/i&gt;

My classification error, apologies. It&#039;s the old forgot about why religion and politics shouldn&#039;t be served together thing. He seems to&#039;ve forgotten it. So has Kevvie. 

Funnily enough as I recall Jesus advocates the separation of Church and State doesn&#039;t he?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Blair’s not a born again Christian, Adrien, he’s a catholic convert. </i></p>
<p>My classification error, apologies. It&#8217;s the old forgot about why religion and politics shouldn&#8217;t be served together thing. He seems to&#8217;ve forgotten it. So has Kevvie. </p>
<p>Funnily enough as I recall Jesus advocates the separation of Church and State doesn&#8217;t he?</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/09/05/on-being-good-at-girly-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-15942</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no doubt that some women would turn on me too as sexist or a traitor to my gender. But it&#039;s true, and I don&#039;t care what they say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no doubt that some women would turn on me too as sexist or a traitor to my gender. But it&#8217;s true, and I don&#8217;t care what they say.</p>
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		<title>By: Nanu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 06:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LE @ #30

Keep in mind, if a man suggested what you said, he would be called sexist. I omitted that part of my argument in relation to &#039;lack of applicants&#039; on purpose. OK, so I&#039;m a coward! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LE @ #30</p>
<p>Keep in mind, if a man suggested what you said, he would be called sexist. I omitted that part of my argument in relation to &#8216;lack of applicants&#8217; on purpose. OK, so I&#8217;m a coward! <img src='http://skepticlawyer.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DEM, the thing that freaks me out is the decisions made in men&#039;s clubs and the like (eg, the Melbourne Club down here). Full of male business types!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DEM, the thing that freaks me out is the decisions made in men&#8217;s clubs and the like (eg, the Melbourne Club down here). Full of male business types!</p>
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		<title>By: DeusExMacintosh</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/09/05/on-being-good-at-girly-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-15910</link>
		<dc:creator>DeusExMacintosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;ve worked in enough offices where management decisions were made in the men&#039;s room, to know that sexism in various forms is alive and well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;ve worked in enough offices where management decisions were made in the men&#8217;s room, to know that sexism in various forms is alive and well.</p>
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		<title>By: DeusExMacintosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeusExMacintosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blair&#039;s not a born again Christian, Adrien, he&#039;s a catholic convert. I know I&#039;d feel a whole lot better in my mind if we had it legislated clearly that &lt;b&gt;nobody&lt;/b&gt; has the right to impose their religious beliefs on someone who doesn&#039;t share them. That would eliminate a lot of the pro-life rubbish which depends on a religious-based argument that &#039;life&#039; begins at conception (or even pre-implantation fertilization in some cases), would be a useful defence against honour killing in asian communities (although it&#039;s actually a cultural practice religion is still used to justify it) and if it means disestablishing the Church of England for fairness, so be it. I&#039;m assuming something similar is the basis for the French system of strict seperation of church and state which is why no religious symbols are allowed to be worn by students in school including the muslim headscarf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blair&#8217;s not a born again Christian, Adrien, he&#8217;s a catholic convert. I know I&#8217;d feel a whole lot better in my mind if we had it legislated clearly that <b>nobody</b> has the right to impose their religious beliefs on someone who doesn&#8217;t share them. That would eliminate a lot of the pro-life rubbish which depends on a religious-based argument that &#8216;life&#8217; begins at conception (or even pre-implantation fertilization in some cases), would be a useful defence against honour killing in asian communities (although it&#8217;s actually a cultural practice religion is still used to justify it) and if it means disestablishing the Church of England for fairness, so be it. I&#8217;m assuming something similar is the basis for the French system of strict seperation of church and state which is why no religious symbols are allowed to be worn by students in school including the muslim headscarf.</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/09/05/on-being-good-at-girly-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-15893</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is residual sexism in some areas of business (eg, once I had a middle-aged barrister say to me &quot;don&#039;t worry your pretty little head about it&quot; - seriously had to restrain myself from DECKING HIM RIGHT THERE. Instead, I just won the application instead. Ha ha.)

But I also think the lack of female applicants for senior positions (company CEOs, law firm partners etc) can in part be attributed to the desire on the part of many women to spend time at home with their children. I never realised how strong that desire would be until I had children. 

I wouldn&#039;t want a job which demanded 95% of my time to the company, firm or whatever. A very large time commitment is required to get to a top position and to stay there successfully. 

Therefore I will never be a CEO or a partner of a firm. But it&#039;s more important to me to see my kids grow up - no one lies on her deathbed and thinks &quot;I wish I&#039;d spent more time at work.&quot;

It&#039;s not that women can&#039;t do it but that many realise they don&#039;t necessarily &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; to. 

Of course, there&#039;s always those who do want to achieve those heights, and good luck to &#039;em too. 

But if you plan to have a family and a stellar corporate career - I&#039;d keep in mind that you can&#039;t have everything at once - you&#039;ll end up missing out on family, or you will be unable to give the necessary attention to your career. Or possibly feeling like you can&#039;t give proper attention to &lt;i&gt;anything&lt;/i&gt;. That&#039;s fine if you&#039;re prepared to do that - I certainly wouldn&#039;t criticise anyone for making that choice. It&#039;s just that I&#039;m not prepared to do it myself - my current commitments of work, study and parenthood are hard enough!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is residual sexism in some areas of business (eg, once I had a middle-aged barrister say to me &#8220;don&#8217;t worry your pretty little head about it&#8221; &#8211; seriously had to restrain myself from DECKING HIM RIGHT THERE. Instead, I just won the application instead. Ha ha.)</p>
<p>But I also think the lack of female applicants for senior positions (company CEOs, law firm partners etc) can in part be attributed to the desire on the part of many women to spend time at home with their children. I never realised how strong that desire would be until I had children. </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t want a job which demanded 95% of my time to the company, firm or whatever. A very large time commitment is required to get to a top position and to stay there successfully. </p>
<p>Therefore I will never be a CEO or a partner of a firm. But it&#8217;s more important to me to see my kids grow up &#8211; no one lies on her deathbed and thinks &#8220;I wish I&#8217;d spent more time at work.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that women can&#8217;t do it but that many realise they don&#8217;t necessarily <i>want</i> to. </p>
<p>Of course, there&#8217;s always those who do want to achieve those heights, and good luck to &#8216;em too. </p>
<p>But if you plan to have a family and a stellar corporate career &#8211; I&#8217;d keep in mind that you can&#8217;t have everything at once &#8211; you&#8217;ll end up missing out on family, or you will be unable to give the necessary attention to your career. Or possibly feeling like you can&#8217;t give proper attention to <i>anything</i>. That&#8217;s fine if you&#8217;re prepared to do that &#8211; I certainly wouldn&#8217;t criticise anyone for making that choice. It&#8217;s just that I&#8217;m not prepared to do it myself &#8211; my current commitments of work, study and parenthood are hard enough!</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 07:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Don’t sweat it Adrien, the Religious Right are a dying force.&lt;/i&gt;

i dunno about that. The Religious Right (Jewish, Christian and Muslim) seem to be cheerfully and casually talking about, of all things, a global religious war in the 21st century.

Messrs Blair and Bush are both born-again Christians. They never went so far as to issue apocalyptic rhetoric. But I reckon Baghdad looks a lot like St John&#039;s dreams these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Don’t sweat it Adrien, the Religious Right are a dying force.</i></p>
<p>i dunno about that. The Religious Right (Jewish, Christian and Muslim) seem to be cheerfully and casually talking about, of all things, a global religious war in the 21st century.</p>
<p>Messrs Blair and Bush are both born-again Christians. They never went so far as to issue apocalyptic rhetoric. But I reckon Baghdad looks a lot like St John&#8217;s dreams these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 07:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stalker- 

&lt;i&gt;To my mind sex made no quantifiable difference in the transition to the workforce from college and that it was a cop out to say sexism (while it might exist) was in anyway a significant factor.&lt;/i&gt;

Not always &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Tales-Boom-Boom-Room-Women-Street/dp/1576600785&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;true&lt;/a&gt;. Disgusting behaviour by these fellas from the dog end of the NY finance industry. I wonder what their mothers think of &#039;em.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stalker- </p>
<p><i>To my mind sex made no quantifiable difference in the transition to the workforce from college and that it was a cop out to say sexism (while it might exist) was in anyway a significant factor.</i></p>
<p>Not always <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Tales-Boom-Boom-Room-Women-Street/dp/1576600785" rel="nofollow">true</a>. Disgusting behaviour by these fellas from the dog end of the NY finance industry. I wonder what their mothers think of &#8216;em.</p>
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