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		<title>By: skepticlawyer &#187; Pride comes before a fall</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2009/06/21/things-that-make-me-proud/comment-page-1/#comment-38596</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer &#187; Pride comes before a fall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a post for Jim Belshaw on things that make me proud got me thinking about pride more [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2009/06/21/things-that-make-me-proud/comment-page-1/#comment-37358</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No offence taken.

One day I will write a post based on the early medieval Irish history I studied. One of the three divisions of society included: bards, singers, priests, druids and lawyers - ie, story tellers and bullshit artists extraordinaire.</description>
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<p>One day I will write a post based on the early medieval Irish history I studied. One of the three divisions of society included: bards, singers, priests, druids and lawyers &#8211; ie, story tellers and bullshit artists extraordinaire.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2009/06/21/things-that-make-me-proud/comment-page-1/#comment-37348</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Adrien, unsurprisingly, I scored very highly on the Imposter Test. I really don’t know where it comes from, but it’s very high amongst academics generally. &lt;/i&gt;


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I&#039;m sorry. No offense I just thought that was really funnny. Hell I work in advertising I should&#039;ve broken the machine. I&#039;m a professional bullshitter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Adrien, unsurprisingly, I scored very highly on the Imposter Test. I really don’t know where it comes from, but it’s very high amongst academics generally. </i></p>
<p>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry. No offense I just thought that was really funnny. Hell I work in advertising I should&#8217;ve broken the machine. I&#8217;m a professional bullshitter.</p>
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		<title>By: TheodoraBrown</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2009/06/21/things-that-make-me-proud/comment-page-1/#comment-37345</link>
		<dc:creator>TheodoraBrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and, of course, the whole issue of kids in the workplace isn&#039;t just about the workplace itself, but whose kids they are.  I imagine in most workplaces that aren&#039;t seriously inappropriate for children (ie, scientific labs, construction sites, etc) that if the boss brought their child in, it wouldn&#039;t be an issue, but woe betide someone rather further down the foodchain .... 

sorry, inner cynic just got out ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and, of course, the whole issue of kids in the workplace isn&#8217;t just about the workplace itself, but whose kids they are.  I imagine in most workplaces that aren&#8217;t seriously inappropriate for children (ie, scientific labs, construction sites, etc) that if the boss brought their child in, it wouldn&#8217;t be an issue, but woe betide someone rather further down the foodchain &#8230;. </p>
<p>sorry, inner cynic just got out &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2009/06/21/things-that-make-me-proud/comment-page-1/#comment-37154</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I let that comment through because the test seemed interesting and not a scam. I hope he comes back, tbh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I let that comment through because the test seemed interesting and not a scam. I hope he comes back, tbh.</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2009/06/21/things-that-make-me-proud/comment-page-1/#comment-37134</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrien, unsurprisingly, I scored very highly on the Imposter Test. I really don&#039;t know where it comes from, but it&#039;s very high amongst academics generally. 

I suppose you never really know whether you&#039;ve done a good job or not, and it&#039;s very subjective any way. We&#039;ve all heard of people&#039;s ideas being derided in their lifetimes, only to be subsequently accepted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrien, unsurprisingly, I scored very highly on the Imposter Test. I really don&#8217;t know where it comes from, but it&#8217;s very high amongst academics generally. </p>
<p>I suppose you never really know whether you&#8217;ve done a good job or not, and it&#8217;s very subjective any way. We&#8217;ve all heard of people&#8217;s ideas being derided in their lifetimes, only to be subsequently accepted.</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2009/06/21/things-that-make-me-proud/comment-page-1/#comment-37132</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete - if they&#039;re going to enforce a &quot;no children&quot; rule, they should do so consistently. Natasha Stott-Despoja said that she took her kids into the Senate and wasn&#039;t publicly censured. 

One could make some smart comments as to how one &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; potentially mistake a Senator for a two year old toddler in some circumstances...

Congrats on your youngest&#039;s birthday! Hasn&#039;t time flown? Seems like yesterday that she was born. Kisses to her.

Certainly, whenever I have taken my kids into present or ex-workplaces, people have generally enjoyed it immensely. As you say, it&#039;s usually far too serious. But my husband could never take our kids to his work - he&#039;s a scientist and works with dangerous chemicals and glass in sterile environments...not very child friendly. I could never take our children into open court either. When I tried out a conference presentation on my daughter at home, after about 2 minutes she said, &quot;I&#039;ve had enough, Mummy, this is boring&quot; and got up and started running around.

As for whether I&#039;ll have any more - presently there&#039;s a divide in the family. My daughter and I are all for another (she wants a sister, although I&#039;ve explained that this can&#039;t be guaranteed). My husband generally thinks two is enough, although he has been heard to say another would be nice. We&#039;ll have to see how we go financially too. Watch this space to see who wins...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete &#8211; if they&#8217;re going to enforce a &#8220;no children&#8221; rule, they should do so consistently. Natasha Stott-Despoja said that she took her kids into the Senate and wasn&#8217;t publicly censured. </p>
<p>One could make some smart comments as to how one <i>could</i> potentially mistake a Senator for a two year old toddler in some circumstances&#8230;</p>
<p>Congrats on your youngest&#8217;s birthday! Hasn&#8217;t time flown? Seems like yesterday that she was born. Kisses to her.</p>
<p>Certainly, whenever I have taken my kids into present or ex-workplaces, people have generally enjoyed it immensely. As you say, it&#8217;s usually far too serious. But my husband could never take our kids to his work &#8211; he&#8217;s a scientist and works with dangerous chemicals and glass in sterile environments&#8230;not very child friendly. I could never take our children into open court either. When I tried out a conference presentation on my daughter at home, after about 2 minutes she said, &#8220;I&#8217;ve had enough, Mummy, this is boring&#8221; and got up and started running around.</p>
<p>As for whether I&#8217;ll have any more &#8211; presently there&#8217;s a divide in the family. My daughter and I are all for another (she wants a sister, although I&#8217;ve explained that this can&#8217;t be guaranteed). My husband generally thinks two is enough, although he has been heard to say another would be nice. We&#8217;ll have to see how we go financially too. Watch this space to see who wins&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2009/06/21/things-that-make-me-proud/comment-page-1/#comment-37131</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John - According to that test I have moderate imposture syndrome situations. Is that because I am moderately paranoid? 

Will a new religion emerge on the basis of the ten-point online pop psych quiz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &#8211; According to that test I have moderate imposture syndrome situations. Is that because I am moderately paranoid? </p>
<p>Will a new religion emerge on the basis of the ten-point online pop psych quiz.</p>
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		<title>By: pete m</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2009/06/21/things-that-make-me-proud/comment-page-1/#comment-37114</link>
		<dc:creator>pete m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LE I understand children of Senators are allowed to visit the floor of the chamber, but must be absent during any division to ensure no mistakes in a vote count.  That is the rule to be debated, and yes, I agree it was very poorly handled by the Senate President.

I&#039;m not sure how a vote, usually done on the voices, could be stuffed up by an eggnog mistaking a 2 yr old for a Senator!

re family as number 1 - my brother in law is a great example.  He&#039;s been delaying starting a family until nearly too late (my sister just turned 39), but finally gave in last year.  They now have a son, and he still cannot put in words the joy this has brought him.  He also said it has changed what he considers is important, and when I pop down to see them next month, I&#039;m sure his old somewhat selfish personality will not be on show.  Not to say he isn&#039;t a decent fellow - just he saw life as what it could do for him etc.

re the discussion - what derails it is when tax dollars are called for or used to help &quot;working families&quot;TM.  This riles singles and people who have already raised kids at their own cost.  If the discussion is more about how society responds to our changing norms, you will get a fairer go.

I love seeing kids in the office - it is usually way too serious.

Our littlest turned 1, 2 weeks ago, and people are hassling us about whether we&#039;ll have another.  We&#039;re happy with our current brood.  Sure babies are cute and all, but not sure we could afford another anyway.  And my wife isn&#039;t keen on it at all - so that&#039;s that!  How about you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LE I understand children of Senators are allowed to visit the floor of the chamber, but must be absent during any division to ensure no mistakes in a vote count.  That is the rule to be debated, and yes, I agree it was very poorly handled by the Senate President.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how a vote, usually done on the voices, could be stuffed up by an eggnog mistaking a 2 yr old for a Senator!</p>
<p>re family as number 1 &#8211; my brother in law is a great example.  He&#8217;s been delaying starting a family until nearly too late (my sister just turned 39), but finally gave in last year.  They now have a son, and he still cannot put in words the joy this has brought him.  He also said it has changed what he considers is important, and when I pop down to see them next month, I&#8217;m sure his old somewhat selfish personality will not be on show.  Not to say he isn&#8217;t a decent fellow &#8211; just he saw life as what it could do for him etc.</p>
<p>re the discussion &#8211; what derails it is when tax dollars are called for or used to help &#8220;working families&#8221;TM.  This riles singles and people who have already raised kids at their own cost.  If the discussion is more about how society responds to our changing norms, you will get a fairer go.</p>
<p>I love seeing kids in the office &#8211; it is usually way too serious.</p>
<p>Our littlest turned 1, 2 weeks ago, and people are hassling us about whether we&#8217;ll have another.  We&#8217;re happy with our current brood.  Sure babies are cute and all, but not sure we could afford another anyway.  And my wife isn&#8217;t keen on it at all &#8211; so that&#8217;s that!  How about you?</p>
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		<title>By: John Graden</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Graden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can take a test to see how the impostor syndrome affects you at www.ImpostorQuiz.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can take a test to see how the impostor syndrome affects you at <a href="http://www.ImpostorQuiz.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ImpostorQuiz.com</a></p>
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