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	<title>Comments on: Hamilton and Higgins</title>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2009/10/27/hamilton-and-higgins/comment-page-2/#comment-47398</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I love that added quote by Clive. Bob Brown has similarly dippy religious views. I wonder if a tendency to new-age/Gaian spirituality is more common amongst Greens voters/politicians? The major parties seem to be more inclined to traditional belief.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I think you&#039;re right, TimT, although I do find it amusing. In writing the novel I&#039;m working on now, I&#039;ve had to do a mountain of research into classical and Celtic paganism... and believe me, dippy and cute it is not. The line that keeps occurring to me when I read various accounts of what people believed and the practices they followed is &#039;Mother Nature, the Bloody Bitch&#039;. This is not to say that it is any better or worse than what came after (Christianity and Islam). Sure, a strong case can be made for greater tolerance and a more positive view of sexuality (the former has been seized upon by aspects of the Green movement, although I suspect most people draw the line at orgies; Clive Hamilton certainly does -- he is very puritan) but other aspects are deeply retrograde. 

The worst of both worlds, it really is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I love that added quote by Clive. Bob Brown has similarly dippy religious views. I wonder if a tendency to new-age/Gaian spirituality is more common amongst Greens voters/politicians? The major parties seem to be more inclined to traditional belief.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right, TimT, although I do find it amusing. In writing the novel I&#8217;m working on now, I&#8217;ve had to do a mountain of research into classical and Celtic paganism&#8230; and believe me, dippy and cute it is not. The line that keeps occurring to me when I read various accounts of what people believed and the practices they followed is &#8216;Mother Nature, the Bloody Bitch&#8217;. This is not to say that it is any better or worse than what came after (Christianity and Islam). Sure, a strong case can be made for greater tolerance and a more positive view of sexuality (the former has been seized upon by aspects of the Green movement, although I suspect most people draw the line at orgies; Clive Hamilton certainly does &#8212; he is very puritan) but other aspects are deeply retrograde. </p>
<p>The worst of both worlds, it really is.</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2009/10/27/hamilton-and-higgins/comment-page-2/#comment-47386</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Tim T, spam filter is being stupid again. SIGH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Tim T, spam filter is being stupid again. SIGH.</p>
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		<title>By: TimT</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2009/10/27/hamilton-and-higgins/comment-page-2/#comment-47385</link>
		<dc:creator>TimT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have said &#039;link&#039;, not &#039;email&#039;, in that previous comment... not that it matters until it gets unmoderated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have said &#8216;link&#8217;, not &#8216;email&#8217;, in that previous comment&#8230; not that it matters until it gets unmoderated!</p>
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		<title>By: TimT</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2009/10/27/hamilton-and-higgins/comment-page-2/#comment-47382</link>
		<dc:creator>TimT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clive in that email about Leigh Sales asking one or two questions about climate skeptics: &quot;And I thought, well, just shut up.&quot; 

Just shut up. Yes, there&#039;s a nuanced, tolerant, and non-divisive position that certainly bodes well for the future policy initiatives of the Greens... not!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clive in that email about Leigh Sales asking one or two questions about climate skeptics: &#8220;And I thought, well, just shut up.&#8221; </p>
<p>Just shut up. Yes, there&#8217;s a nuanced, tolerant, and non-divisive position that certainly bodes well for the future policy initiatives of the Greens&#8230; not!</p>
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		<title>By: TimT</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2009/10/27/hamilton-and-higgins/comment-page-2/#comment-47378</link>
		<dc:creator>TimT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love that added quote by Clive. Bob Brown has similarly dippy religious views. I wonder if a tendency to new-age/Gaian spirituality is more common amongst Greens voters/politicians? The major parties seem to be more inclined to traditional belief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love that added quote by Clive. Bob Brown has similarly dippy religious views. I wonder if a tendency to new-age/Gaian spirituality is more common amongst Greens voters/politicians? The major parties seem to be more inclined to traditional belief.</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2009/10/27/hamilton-and-higgins/comment-page-2/#comment-47364</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank @ 47: I guess I&#039;m just really, really wary of emergency measures. I concede that there may be times when emergency measures are necessary (total breakdown of law and order). But I wouldn&#039;t be planning in advance to be using them, and the fact that Hamilton is quite blithely prepared to consider this as a possibility tends to suggest to me that he has a totalitarian mind-set (i.e. he knows what&#039;s best for everyone, and he&#039;ll force them to see that). Ugh.

I also really hate the politics of fear (whether it&#039;s fear over asylum seekers, global warming, terrorists etc). I just think that bad decisions tend be made on that basis, and Hamilton&#039;s screeds reek of fear -- which tends to suggest he won&#039;t make good decisions.

So by all means, he can run for office, and he can say what he wants, but I don&#039;t find it at all attractive or consistent with his party&#039;s policies. And I hope that his opponent wins. That&#039;s all I&#039;m saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank @ 47: I guess I&#8217;m just really, really wary of emergency measures. I concede that there may be times when emergency measures are necessary (total breakdown of law and order). But I wouldn&#8217;t be planning in advance to be using them, and the fact that Hamilton is quite blithely prepared to consider this as a possibility tends to suggest to me that he has a totalitarian mind-set (i.e. he knows what&#8217;s best for everyone, and he&#8217;ll force them to see that). Ugh.</p>
<p>I also really hate the politics of fear (whether it&#8217;s fear over asylum seekers, global warming, terrorists etc). I just think that bad decisions tend be made on that basis, and Hamilton&#8217;s screeds reek of fear &#8212; which tends to suggest he won&#8217;t make good decisions.</p>
<p>So by all means, he can run for office, and he can say what he wants, but I don&#8217;t find it at all attractive or consistent with his party&#8217;s policies. And I hope that his opponent wins. That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m saying.</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2009/10/27/hamilton-and-higgins/comment-page-2/#comment-47353</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hives is into fluffwicca. Now why does that not surprise me? (read LE&#039;s post update if this comment makes no sense).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hives is into fluffwicca. Now why does that not surprise me? (read LE&#8217;s post update if this comment makes no sense).</p>
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		<title>By: whitefrankblack</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2009/10/27/hamilton-and-higgins/comment-page-2/#comment-47331</link>
		<dc:creator>whitefrankblack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ladies, gentlemen, in the words of the Notorious B.I.G, it has been real.  Thanks and goodnight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ladies, gentlemen, in the words of the Notorious B.I.G, it has been real.  Thanks and goodnight.</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2009/10/27/hamilton-and-higgins/comment-page-1/#comment-47330</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now -- as people may or may not know -- I live in the UK and am actually supposed to be at work right now, so I&#039;m going to have to leave. And as should be obvious, this thread is getting a mite stoushy. I&#039;d like the stoushiness to stop, thanks. People need to pull their heads (whether bald or otherwise) in.

Otherwise the cutting tool will come out on my return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now &#8212; as people may or may not know &#8212; I live in the UK and am actually supposed to be at work right now, so I&#8217;m going to have to leave. And as should be obvious, this thread is getting a mite stoushy. I&#8217;d like the stoushiness to stop, thanks. People need to pull their heads (whether bald or otherwise) in.</p>
<p>Otherwise the cutting tool will come out on my return.</p>
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		<title>By: jc</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;baldness suggests to me that you too are as bald he-whom-you-detest.&lt;/i&gt;

Nope, wrong again. I have a full head of hair. Sorry, but I find everything about cue ball detestable.

I&#039;ll repeat he makes Griffin look good and Griffin is clearly a rancid fascist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>baldness suggests to me that you too are as bald he-whom-you-detest.</i></p>
<p>Nope, wrong again. I have a full head of hair. Sorry, but I find everything about cue ball detestable.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll repeat he makes Griffin look good and Griffin is clearly a rancid fascist.</p>
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