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Hatches, matches and despatches

By skepticlawyer

Once I am sure there’s nothing going on
I step inside, letting the door thud shut.
Another church: matting, seats, and stone,
And little books; sprawlings of flowers, cut
For Sunday, brownish now; some brass and stuff
Up at the holy end; the small neat organ;
And a tense, musty, unignorable silence,
Brewed God knows how long. Hatless, I take off
My cycle-clips in awkward reverence.

Roadside ritual

Not long after I arrived in Oxford, a student cyclist was killed at The Plain, near Magdalen College. There was the usual to-ing and fro-ing, comments about how dangerous the roundabout there is, how everyone is almost always in the wrong lane. A few days after the death, in addition to the (now usual) bunches of flowers, candles, photographs and ribbons, a bicycle, painted white, appeared, chained to the nearest available lamp-post. The tyres and chain had been removed, and a sign stated: ‘a cyclist was killed here’. It was an arresting image, far more striking than the flowers and photographs. Among other things, it forced motorists and even buses to slow in what could be seen as a gesture of reverence.

Some time later, I learnt that ‘ghost cycles’, as these roadside memorials are called, are now common in the UK and Europe. A photograph of one (from just outside Gray’s Inn, in London) is included in this post. The phenomenon is sometimes tied to political commentary — about road safety, say, or as part of an expectation that people should drive with more care — but more often than not, the ghost bike is like a Japanese or Roman roadside shrine, there to honour and memorialize the dead.

Of course, the flowers, photographs and candles are a relatively new phenomenon, too, at least in Britain. That sort of thing was for Italians and Spaniards, the argument once went — Catholics, who go in for drippy memorials and ostentatious wreaths at funerals — although in reality, the roadside shrine is much older than Catholicism.

Move forward, run my hand around the font.
From where I stand, the roof looks almost new -
Cleaned, or restored? Someone would know: I don’t.
Mounting the lectern, I peruse a few
Hectoring large-scale verses, and pronounce
‘Here endeth’ much more loudly than I’d meant.
The echoes snigger briefly. Back at the door
I sign the book, donate an Irish sixpence,
Reflect the place was not worth stopping for.

Yet stop I did: in fact I often do,
And always end much at a loss like this,
Wondering what to look for; wondering, too,
When churches will fall completely out of use
What we shall turn them into, if we shall keep
A few cathedrals chronically on show,
Their parchment, plate and pyx in locked cases,
And let the rest rent-free to rain and sheep.
Shall we avoid them as unlucky places?

Religious orientation

Eric MacDonald — one of my favourite writers — has written a series of outstanding posts engaging with the arguments of philosopher Philip Kitcher. Eric is an atheist now, but he used to be an Anglican vicar, so he’s theologically literate and insightful. He argues (partly following Kitcher) that religion is more than belief; it’s an orientation, but that orientation gets entangled with doctrine in (often) socially destructive ways. Kitcher wants to preserve the orientation religion offers, with its community and comforts, while doing away with the empirical truth claims (monotheistic) religion makes:

We have come upon Kitcher’s work elsewhere on this site (here, for example, or here, and here), and I have a great deal of sympathy for what Kitcher is trying to do. He suggests that what he calls militant modern atheism (or what Gutting is calling scientific atheism), while true as far as it goes, does not provide a living substitute for the functions that religion performs for people. It does not provide community, for example. It does not provide for the ordered celebration of the stages of life, such as birth, adulthood, death, and grief; nor does it provide an intergenerational community in the midst of which to celebrate important events, and to be supported not only by the living community, but to feel a sense of continuity with those who have gone before. It does not offer a group narrative into which one can fit one’s own narrative.

Eric offers some provisional thoughts on what atheists and humanists without religion might want to think about when it comes to managing people’s need for communal celebration of ‘hatches, matches and despatches’. Eric is Canadian, so may experience different manifestations of religiosity in his country. By way of contrast, I want to describe (and perhaps elucidate) how people approach these communal events in what is becoming a post-Christian Europe.

Or, after dark, will dubious women come
To make their children touch a particular stone;
Pick simples for a cancer; or on some
Advised night see walking a dead one?
Power of some sort will go on
In games, in riddles, seemingly at random;
But superstition, like belief, must die,
And what remains when disbelief has gone?
Grass, weedy pavement, brambles, buttress, sky,

A shape less recognisable each week,
A purpose more obscure. I wonder who
Will be the last, the very last, to seek
This place for what it was; one of the crew
That tap and jot and know what rood-lofts were?
Some ruin-bibber, randy for antique,
Or Christmas-addict, counting on a whiff
Of gown-and-bands and organ-pipes and myrrh?
Or will he be my representative?

Whither religion?

I studied at Brasenose, which is a very strong law college, but it also has another historic strength: classics, especially the Romans (the Hellenists tend to go to Corpus Christi). In conversations with various of the Romanists, it was often pointed out to me that Christianity is foreign to Europe, a Middle-Eastern import that requires either institutional support (as in Ireland) or utterly cack-handed persecution (as in the former Soviet Bloc) in order to survive. Without either or both, it will die, the classicists argued, and Europe would revert.

‘To what?’ I asked, incredulous.
‘Paganism’ they answered, unselfconsciously.

There were two things going on here, as I learnt very quickly. First, they did not mean (at least not usually) the dippy organised paganism that is common in much of the UK. One thinks of the ‘Druids’, who make annual use of the Mesolithic Stonehenge. Let’s just say the link between Stonehenge and historic Druidism is not even tenuous. It is non-existent. One classicist dismissed Britain’s modern druids as an instance of ‘fluffwicca’, a term that I think deserves wider currency. Second, they did not think that Europe would become secular, or atheistic, or skeptical. It would remain religious, perhaps even profoundly so. The essence of their argument was that monotheism would not last, being foreign, but that religion would, and that Christians and atheists alike simply had to deal with that reality.

At first I was skeptical, because long habituation to even very foreign customs–and I admit that Christianity was very different from most of the religions of the pagan Roman Empire–can make them seem native. Following another classicist’s recommendation, I then read Deepak Lal, encountering for the first time his argument that languages provide cognitive maps, which then feed into religious frameworks. Religions that demand a holy language (like Islam does with Arabic) will never ‘take’ in Europe, while loss of linguistic access to narratives and texts (like the Bible or saints’ lives) can also sever the cognitive link with the past. People (including Richard Dawkins) mourn the loss of the ability to understand Shakespeare or the King James Bible, but like most imperial languages, English is in the process of breaking apart, as Latin once did, producing mutually unintelligible linguistic children.

Then–on another matter entirely, while policy wonking for the Tories–I spent a chunk of my time considering the implications of the 2005 Eurobarometer Poll. There is a great deal in this survey, but the most important findings are summarized in the chart below (click to embiggen; the ‘don’t knows’ have been excised for visual clarity).

In brief, blue represents traditional monotheism (either Christianity or Islam), red represents the various permutations of paganism (‘belief in a spirit or life-forces’), and green represents atheism. More recent national surveys have revealed the same trends, with monotheism in retreat, paganism in the ascendant, and atheism remaining steady. Of course, there are statistical outliers. France, with its long tradition of laïcité, has a large number of atheists relative to both pagans and Christians; so, now, does Ireland. The latter, of course, is a much more recent phenomenon (emerging largely since 2005) and is attributable to the Irish Church’s surfeit of sex scandals and criminal cover-ups. In other words, it’s historically contingent.

After my policy wonking stint, I encountered further research applying the mathematical modelling used to map language extinctions to religious belief. It indicated the same precipitous decline for traditional monotheism (the relevant studies, including a good piece in Nature, are collated and attractively discussed here).

Large numbers of people still haven’t ‘got’ those 2005 poll results, or the more recent mathematical projections. Here is the BBC, opining that Estonia is ‘the least religious country in the world’, which of course is rot. Look at Estonia, down there at the bottom of the Eurobarometer graph. If one adds 16 to 54, the result is 70. That, in anyone’s language, is a comfortable majority for the religious.

This failure to see that paganism is a religion (or, more accurately, religions) is baffling, and seems to represent a sort of mindblindness to the diversity of human religious experience and practice. People who write articles like that need to ask themselves if they habitually write Japan off (to pick one example) as an ‘atheist’ nation, because it isn’t monotheistic, and is (largely) an instance of modern paganism.

Even as careful a scholar as Kitcher universalises monotheism, producing passages of arrant nonsense like this:

Religious people who exemplify the belief model are thus evidentially dependent on the traditions in which they stand. That is not yet to deny them the possibility of knowledge, since all of us are dependent on others for virtually all of what we know. The trouble is that the symmetry found in the appeal to religious experience, the use of phenomenologically similar episodes to support radically incompatible conclusions, is preserved when we turn to the grounding of belief in religious tradition. The Native American who is convinced of the existence of ancestral spirits, and the Australian Aboriginal who talks confidently of the Dreamtime, base their religious professions on similar ideas about the past to those that ground the doctrines of Jews, Christians and Muslims. Once, long ago, there was a revelation, and it has been transmitted, with integrity, across the generations to the present. There is no reasonable way to break the symmetry, to declare that one — or some — of these supposed processes of revelation and accurate transmission has matters right, and the others are sad examples of primitive confusion.

There was no revelation in either Greek or Roman paganism and there isn’t one in any Aboriginal mythical narrative of which I am aware. I don’t know if we have any Native American readers (we certainly have a goodly number of Aborigines), but I will eat my hat if there was a revelation with doctrinal implications in any Native American religious tradition. Kitcher doesn’t seem to grasp the Roman view, for example: the multifarious religions of the Empire were all equally true to the general public, equally false to the philosopher and equally useful to the magistrate.

Paganisms don’t do doctrine, or revelation, or belief… they do ritual. They have practices. They also evince some of the orientation of which Kitcher speaks when it comes to the monotheisms. Often, this pagan orientation values oaths in particular. The Roman law of contract is an outgrowth (a very obvious and direct one) of the severely contractual relationship Romans had with their Gods: dono, dabis goes the formula: I give, you do. If you do not do, I do not give is sometimes added, explicitly. It is something to get one’s head around, the idea that a deity can engage in breach of contract.

Morality proper, however, is shunted off to some other discipline (typically philosophy in more literate societies), which is why Roman and Greek and Chinese religious writers are distinctly uninformative when it comes to proper behaviour, while Stoics and Epicureans and Hedonists and Pythagoreans and Confucians and what have you are always banging on about how one ought to live one’s life. Only with the coming of Christianity did philosophy cede (under the burden of considerable pains and penalties, as Lorenzo discusses here) the ‘how shall I live?’ question to theology.

It may be that philosophy has to take on its ancient role once more, as the monotheisms lose ground. I’ve heard it said in skeptical circles that theology is just a back-door way to let atheists believe in God, but that is unfair to paganism, which is much more sophisticated than people give it credit for. The opposition between order and chaos, combined with the realisation that both order and chaos have serious claims on our imagination, neither all right nor all wrong, is a core aspect of classical paganism. It was in the science fiction series Babylon 5 that this opposition was made palatable for a modern audience, and as depicted in that show revealed writer J. Michael Straczynski’s interest in comparative religious scholarship, especially the work of Norman Cohn.

However, that still leaves aside most of ‘how shall I live?’, a question of some urgency when many people are struggling to conceptualise morality:

The interviewers asked open-ended questions about right and wrong, moral dilemmas and the meaning of life. In the rambling answers, which Smith and company recount in a new book, “Lost in Transition,” you see the young people groping to say anything sensible on these matters. But they just don’t have the categories or vocabulary to do so.

When asked to describe a moral dilemma they had faced, two-thirds of the young people either couldn’t answer the question or described problems that are not moral at all, like whether they could afford to rent a certain apartment or whether they had enough quarters to feed the meter at a parking spot.

“Not many of them have previously given much or any thought to many of the kinds of questions about morality that we asked,” Smith and his co-authors write. When asked about wrong or evil, they could generally agree that rape and murder are wrong. But, aside from these extreme cases, moral thinking didn’t enter the picture, even when considering things like drunken driving, cheating in school or cheating on a partner. “I don’t really deal with right and wrong that often,” is how one interviewee put it.

The default position, which most of them came back to again and again, is that moral choices are just a matter of individual taste. “It’s personal,” the respondents typically said. “It’s up to the individual. Who am I to say?”

New (old) practices

In Paris, young lovers affix padlocks to lamp-posts and trees on a bridge, inscribe them with their names and then throw the key into the Seine, symbolizing their commitment to each other. The practice spreads: to Rome, to Moscow, to Prague (the photograph below is from Moscow). Rome’s city council removes the locks early one morning, only to find them rapidly reinstated. Lamp-posts collapse under the weight. This goes back and forth for a while. Finally, Mayor Gianni Alemanno gives in, supplying dedicated posts for the observance of the ritual. The bridge in question? The Ponte Milvio, which Tacitus tells us was a haunt for Rome’s teenage lovers to make their pledges in his day, and was later where Christian Constantine defeated Maxentius in AD 312. The bridge, it seems, has reverted to Tacitus’ teenage lovers, in a form of religious adverse possession.

In Cumbria and Yorkshire and Aberdeen and Snowdon, and then elsewhere, new parents (and others) hammer coins (a found coin, I am told, is best) into ‘wishing trees’ for good luck. One man remembers being told as a child–upon approaching a wishing tree in Loch Lomond–that he must not take one of the coins, because he will ‘steal’ for himself the child’s illnesses the coin is designed to avert.

See a penny, pick it up, all the day you’ll have good luck
See a penny, let it lay, you’ll have bad luck all the day

The walls of Peckham’s looted Poundland are spontaneously covered with sticky notes expressing affection for the area in the wake of the England riots. Annoyed at persistent disrespect for British war dead and unexpectedly placed in a position to do something about it, the residents of Wootton Bassett spontaneously develop their own ‘repatriation ritual’.

Ghost bikes. Roadside shrines. Solar lanterns on children’s graves. The robing of our life milestones as destinies.

Bored, uninformed, knowing the ghostly silt
Dispersed, yet tending to this cross of ground
Through suburb scrub because it held unspilt
So long and equably what since is found
Only in separation – marriage, and birth,
And death, and thoughts of these – for which was built
This special shell? For, though I’ve no idea
What this accoutred frowsty barn is worth,
It pleases me to stand in silence here;

A serious house on serious earth it is,
In whose blent air all our compulsions meet,
Are recognized, and robed as destinies.
And that much never can be obsolete,
Since someone will forever be surprising
A hunger in himself to be more serious,
And gravitating with it to this ground,
Which, he once heard, was proper to grow wise in,
If only that so many dead lie round.

[The poem featured in this piece is Philip Larkin's 'Church Going', written in 1955 and eerily prescient.]

51 Comments

  1. Posted September 19, 2011 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    Great post.

    Another factor in play is the empowering of women. Traditional Christian sex-and-gender morality was all about stripping women of control over their fertility (no abortion, no contraception, no divorce, no rape in marriage). As an aside, for a late C19th attack on the role of Christianity in oppressing women see here–Matilda Gage seems to have been the originator of the (wildly exaggerated) nine million dead from the witch-burnings estimate.

    The biggest single reason for the contemporary collapse of traditional Christian morality in these areas is the empowering of women.

    A factor in that being the loss of the role of church-going in signaling about the consequences of sex (i.e. that sex was contingent on marriage). If the young women stop going, so do the young men. (The more competitive religious market of the US meant that US churches adopted somewhat better to that than the lazy monopolies of Europe.)

    One of the appeals of “paganism” is surely that it gives rather more scope for a female-friendly and queer-friendly spirituality.

  2. Posted September 19, 2011 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    Eric makes a similar point in the piece on Kitcher I quoted in the main post, and elsewhere on his site in more detail. It is very telling.

    The thing about paganism (both official and unofficial) that stands out to me is the sheer, staggering diversity of it, although it seems to have deep roots in some places. I suspected if one did a scatterplot correlating date (where known) of Christianisation with percentages of pagans as revealed in that Eurobarometer poll, some revealing details would emerge. My hunch would be later date=more pagans in 2005 (or 2012 — I think religion is due to be resurveyed next year).

    And I do think philosophers need to get off their duffs as a matter of urgency; that piece in the New York Times is quite disturbing, people mistaking the Highway Code for morality and whatnot.

  3. kvd
    Posted September 19, 2011 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Interesting words, SL, as always. There’s a few things I’d offer for comment, and as usual some are on topic, some off on a side trail provoked by your post. To begin with, you said:

    Eric offers some provisional thoughts on what atheists and humanists without religion might want to think about when it comes to managing people’s need for communal celebration of ‘hatches, matches and despatches’. Eric is Canadian, so may experience different manifestations of religiosity in his country. By way of contrast, I want to describe (and perhaps elucidate) how people approach these communal events in what is becoming a post-Christian Europe

    - so the post is about “peoples’ need for managing communal celebration”, yet that does not seem to be where your musings took you. Which is fine by me, because I don’t think ‘communal need’ is a very significant feature of births, marriages, or death – but that is just me, I accept.

    Secondly, if you take that graphic, and treat monotheism as just one sub-branch of what you term paganism – then a look at the combined totals for mono and pagan shows quite a close match over a quite diverse range/experience of political history. I’ll leave to others to gauge just how much influence the old Soviet era had on some of the outlying populations, but really, the figures show mono+pagan as over 80% for most of the countries included.

    And just on that – I’m wondering about your comment

    France, with its long tradition of laïcité, has a large number of atheists relative to both pagans and Christians; so, now, does Ireland.

    - when Ireland (Republic of) shows as 4% atheists? No doubt the move from Catholicism to ‘paganism’ as defined is significant, but Ireland remains 96% ‘non-athiest’ if I can put it that way.

    The other thing is probably off-topic, but I need to suggest it for wider reasons. The other day I was reading about the dangers inherent in policy-making by anecdote. In other words, the need to consider more than just one’s own personal or connected experience in designing what could be called good policy. (Judges I would hope are respected for their ability to overcome this influence in the course of their deliberations) And I’d apply it, with a polite warning, to your quoted source – Eric MacDonald – whose ruminations on the right to die, and religion generally, must surely be ‘infected/affected’ by his own life experience.

    Searching for crude example here, but I’d suggest that a road accident victim would be the last person I’d expect to be dispassionate about new road safety laws; nor should an habitual criminal be made Minister For Corrective Services.

  4. Posted September 19, 2011 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    people mistaking the Highway Code for morality and whatnot.

    I imagine that’s because in the post-religious world there are three sources of “mystic”* power: science, economics and law. Of these, it’s only really the later that supposes to guide how people ought to behave. It’s only really the social power that enables religion to have a pracitcal effect on peoples behaviour. I think it’s unlikely that in a liberal secular society that any moral code(s) will gain the sufficient social power to have a significant effect on behaviour. The only thing close to this is the geographic tribalism we see in gated communities.

    * – “mystic” as in most people don’t understand the details of how they work; however people accept that it is a genuine source of power and trust the explaination of those in authority.

  5. Posted September 19, 2011 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    kvd, did you read all of the post? I made it very clear that part of the issue was that the BBC (and others) ought to add the pagans to the Christians, not to the atheists, and that adding them to the latter gave a completely false impression of religiosity in the countries in question. I also made it clear that the shift in Ireland has happened since 2005, post the Eurobarometer Poll, which is why I included a link to the Irish Times piece from earlier this year, which has more recent data for Ireland. It also explains why.

    The whole point of the post was the persistence of religiosity, how emerging pagan rituals also centre around birth, relationships and death (the ‘hatches, matches and despatches’ of the title) and that atheists and skeptics (like me) who have spent a great deal of time dealing with monotheism may — for large parts of Europe — be barking up the wrong tree, or may have to bark up an additional tree to the one we’ve been monitoring. I haven’t addressed how we ought to do that; as I said at Eric’s, that is a subject for another post.

    I will just add that if people do not understand a writer (especially a professional writer like me; I have less excuse), it is usually the writer’s fault, but you are the only one who has read the piece in this way, which is why I am perplexed.

    Desipis: I think that’s a useful way of conceptualising ‘mystic’ for these purposes: it’s a bit like an adaption of Clarke’s Third Law — any sufficiently advanced law is indistinguishable from religion, perhaps? I don’t know what advanced economics would be indistinguishable from… Lorenzo may have an idea.

    [Edited to add: I just looked at this post on my iPhone, and the graphics are displaying very oddly, with gaps between them and the text -- big gaps. I had a lot of difficulty getting all the graphics to display correctly, without wrapping text around them in all sorts of odd ways. Because I am technically incompetent, I fixed this problem by dragging the images around the page and hitting 'return' until they looked okay, but only for me, not on anyone else's computer. That may also be contributing to the confusion.]

  6. Posted September 19, 2011 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    I think I may have sorted the worst of the formatting probs now. If anyone is having problems with display please say and I’ll try again.

    kvd@4:

    so the post is about “peoples’ need for managing communal celebration”, yet that does not seem to be where your musings took you. Which is fine by me, because I don’t think ‘communal need’ is a very significant feature of births, marriages, or death – but that is just me, I accept.

    Although not stated explicitly, I think SL’s point was a reminder to evangelical atheists hoping that the decline of churches will be synonymous with decline of religion (and by extension growth of atheism) that the possibly biological need of humans to mark their “hatches, matches and dispatches” may be against this. As you rightly observe, the figures show that apart from a few exceptions due to culture (France) or scandal (Ireland), religiosity isn’t being eradicated merely replaced.

    I’d question whether SL is correct that this equates to “re-paganisation” as such. Superstitious practices such as these have occurred simultaneously with monotheism for thousands of years and I’m not sure they qualify as a religious practice in themselves. What I’d describe as paganism is a bit more deliberate and organised than what effectively are charms for luck and love. Symbolic magic is not religious in itself I don’t think, more of a psychological crutch when people feel they need a bit more control and aren’t sure how to achieve it.

    I’d have to disagree with KVD on the issue of “communal needs”, also. Human beings are social animals and we like to share. Overwhelmingly our ‘stages of life’ events are marked IN PUBLIC, and shared with extended family and often the local community. Neighbours come to pay their respects at our funerals, the entire church congregation witness a baptism, workmates get invited to our weddings. Any of these things could be done entirely in private but not only is this against tradition, we sometimes feel the events ‘don’t count’ without public acknowledgement. We need to feel part of a wider community for our psychological health (one of the prime drivers of suicide is social isolation) and marking special occasions is an opportunity to reinforce the sense of where we belong in the wider community. I think this is the “communal need” to which SL is referring.

  7. kvd
    Posted September 19, 2011 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Thanks SL – and yes, I did read all of the post, including the linked items.

    I guess I’m just confused by your quoting of Christian, but really (or derived from) pagan traditions which have been in existence since time was invented as a particular ‘need to be addressed’ by atheists and humanists. I think you wrote “Eric offers provisional thoughts on managing peoples’ need for communal celebration”. On that, I said that personally I did not think those issues (birth death marriage) significant to the community these days.

    In any event my comment was #4 of 5 so, yes, I agree in that context “I am the only one” to be so confused.

    Re The Irish Times piece headlined “Our 256,000 (and counting) atheists, etc. etc. and non-religious”. The article quoted a 2006 census, and included the “not stated” when this is specifically excluded from the EuroPoll one year earlier. Adjusting for that, there’s basically no change – never mind the article itself was from August this year. So, not a galloping advance of atheism, I think.

  8. kvd
    Posted September 19, 2011 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    My @8 posted without benefit of DEM’s considered words. Hence, I wish to reserve the right to return with a grovelling apology. Or not. ;)

  9. Posted September 19, 2011 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    I’d argue they’re still significant, kvd, but that the definition of “community” is what has changed. In a tiny agrarian community family weddings and harvest festivals would have everyone in the village out for a celebration day. In modern urban setting we may end up inviting ‘facebook friends’ that we’ve never actually met to share our significant moments IRL like an engagement party or baby shower. It’s also these kind of celebrations which in effect create or maintain a community, so it is dependent on them.

  10. Posted September 19, 2011 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    SL,

    I don’t know what advanced economics would be indistinguishable from

    I was thinking something along the lines of “Any sufficiently developed wealth is indistinguishable from nobility”, tapping into the belief that there was some essential difference between nobility and the commoners. Although I lately, some might consider the advice of economists on par with the animal sacrifice recommendations of the local priest.

  11. Patrick
    Posted September 19, 2011 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    As an agnostic who loves the idea of religion I have always thought that atheists should also be counted in the ‘religious’ bracket.

    I won’t begin on my views on where greens should be classed though.

  12. Posted September 19, 2011 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    D@11 I was tempted to offer “indistinguishable from consulting sheep’s entrails”: but that is just me being bitchy about the forecast stuff, which I have referred to as “consulting sheep’s entrails” for years. Like most economically literate folk, I think it gives serious economics a bad name.

  13. Posted September 19, 2011 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    P@12 You might like Michael Lind’s comment:

    The religious vacuum to the left of center in the U.S. and Britain, where liberal Protestantism has undergone a similar collapse, has been filled with three new creeds. The first is radical environmentalism, which is best understood as a kind of nature-worshipping pantheism.

  14. Posted September 19, 2011 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    D@11 I was tempted to offer “indistinguishable from consulting sheep’s entrails”: but that is just me being bitchy about the forecast stuff, which I have referred to as “consulting sheep’s entrails” for years.

    Umm… there are economic Astrologers out there. They decide whether or not to invest in a company by drafting its astrological ‘birth’ chart.

  15. Posted September 19, 2011 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    Well, in a yet another permutation, I’ve just had to clean some pagan spam out of our moderation filter — some organisation trying to sell personalised love padlocks.

    I was half tempted to let it through just for the novelty value, but then I remembered the vampire rule…

    One thing I didn’t make clear in the post (and should have) is that for some time the ‘scholarly consensus’ among theologians and historians of religion was that Christianity had so obliterated paganism in Europe that no pagan practices from antiquity had survived. If one saw what amounted to pagan practices, then they were either a reconstruction (think Aleister Crowley) or an instance of spontaneous order (a-la Hayek) where people in different time periods came up with the same thing independently of each other.

    In the most recent research, the view that some paganism did survive (despite persecution) is beginning to gain currency again, mainly in response to polls like Eurobarometer 2005 — where the numbers are so large as to be difficult to explain otherwise — but also in response to the work of academic folklorists, who track how, say, nursery rhymes appear, disappear and re-emerge over centuries. Something can seem to be dead and buried, gone without record, but then, up it pops, in exactly the same form, four hundred years later. It wasn’t recorded, but it was remembered.

    I don’t know who is right, and if I favour a particular view it is Hayek’s ‘spontaneous order’ argument, because I have seen the same thing over and over again with common law and Roman law.

    Now, admittedly, Romanists tend to go for the ‘it survived from antiquity’ argument — and sometimes that’s true, the Roman prohibition on consanguinous marriages passing into Christianity is a good example of that. However, there’s often reconstruction (the common law deliberately borrowing Roman ideas about liability for inherent defects) and spontaneous order (the common law of fixtures and fittings, developed entirely independently of the Roman doctrines of accessio and specificatio, but identical to them in every respect).

    Now, in law, spontaneous order is much more common than the other two. There are certain similarities between law and religion (they often share a common origin, for a start), which leads me to suspect that modern paganism is not re-emerging ancient paganism, but an instance of spontaneous order.

    I could, however, be completely wrong on that point, and at some stage I will generate the scatterplot I described @2, which may go some way to proving me wrong. It could be that significant chunks of Europe were not thoroughly Christianised, despite appearances to the contrary.

    Another, minor, point: we need to be careful of engaging in statements like ‘that’s not a religious practice’ when it comes to things we do not recognise or think ‘mere superstition’; this is a version of the ‘no true Scotsman’ fallacy. I was especially alert to that sort of intellectual sleight-of-hand when writing this piece, because it’s clearly what has led the BBC and other media outlets to add pagans to atheists rather than seeing them for what they are: just different expressions of religiosity.

  16. Posted September 19, 2011 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    It wasn’t an effort in ‘no true scotsman’ I was simply suggesting that there is a difference between religion and ritual behaviours.

    Some religions are mostly ritual behaviours admittedly (Shinto in Japan) and you need to be careful not to exclude big statistical outliers like Buddhism for example (they may not be deist but I don’t think you could honestly claim that it’s not a religion) but my instinct is that there is an important difference, even if I don’t have the correct explanation for it at the moment.

  17. Movius
    Posted September 20, 2011 at 1:41 am | Permalink

    Calling a non-Christian religion a religion would imply some sort of acceptance of objective reality. Dangerous ground there, soon you’ll be suggesting that contradictory evidence proves a theory wrong.

    This reminded me how much fun it is to compare the popular conception of ‘male/white/straight/whatever privilege’ to original sin.

  18. Posted September 20, 2011 at 6:37 am | Permalink

    I’ve always thought that was an unusually well constructed definition of religion, LE, as (3) in particular manages to catch both doctrinal and non-doctrinal religious groups — and all cannily designed to ensure that Theravada Buddhism gets a look in.

  19. Posted September 20, 2011 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    I think what Philip Kitcher is doing is a certain kind of, um’ theocentricism’. Essentially he’s mapping the assumptions of his own religious narrative on that of others. He’s supposing that the experiences of Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and possibly Bhudda have been shared by persons lost to posterity and the point of origin of pre-monotheistic religious practice. He fails to understand that the edicts of animism and paganism don’t place humans on a high enough scale to be worthy of revelations by the Almighty Whatever.

    I do suppose however that considering the religious imagination is stronger in some individuals that there was ‘revelation’ or, if preferred, someone who made up the stories.

    I don’t know if I can equate the pantheism in the chart with ‘paganism’. Pagan religions were ritual appeasements of a natural force. In our post-Hubble world we’re not really like to sincerely make sacrifices to Astarte are we? The inarticulate pantheism with its various manifestations from the conviction of faith in ‘something’ to the various New Age simulacra of pre-Christianity is, I think, simply faith now unchained from an obsolete institution.

    Or a bunch of monkeys who need a new bedtime story.

  20. Patrick
    Posted September 20, 2011 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    In our post-Hubble world we’re not really like to sincerely make sacrifices to Astarte are we?

    Well how else do you account for people buying carbon offsets or Toyota Priapiuses?

  21. Mel
    Posted September 20, 2011 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    Hmmm.

    I think libertarianism might be a secular religion. If I understand it correctly, Ludwig Von Moses(pbuh) was an early prophet who deciphered the mysteries of the universe during a teabagging ceremony on top of Mount Sinus.

    His disciple Friedrich von Hayseed then gave us a millenarian text called the Road to Serfdom that says we are all rooned if the Government develops a mixed economy. Then, in a latter day testicle, The Constipation of Liberty, he wrote:

    “If this is the degree of inflation planned for in advance, the real outcome is indeed likely to be such that most of those who will retire at the end of the century will be dependent on the charity of the younger generation. And ultimately not morals but the fact that the young supply the police and the army will decide the issue: concentration camps for the aged unable to maintain themselves are likely to be the fate of an old generation whose income is entirely dependent on coercing the young.”

    Armageddon, anyone?

  22. Posted September 20, 2011 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    Armageddon out of here…

  23. Posted September 20, 2011 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    The term ‘secular religion’ strikes me as being somewhat oxymoronic, given that ‘secular’ implies ‘not specifically religious’. I get what it is trying to say, but ‘religion substitute’ captures the point better.

    Religions are hardly the only form of strong belief system. Marxism, in its various Leninist variations, has obviously functioned as a substitute religion. Indeed, some analysts regard the North Korean version, Juche, as a full religion since it has an eternal president.

    The dividing line between religion or not gets particularly murky with some forms of environmentalism: either way, it is clearly a religion substitute.

    Libertarianism comes in various strains. Objectivists/Randians often seem like members of cult: though their ostentatious worship of reason gets us into oxymoronic territory again.

    Adherents of Austrian economics can come across is much the same way.

    Both versions have a tendency to the apocalyptic in their thinking. As I like to say, Austrians have predicted 10 of the last 2 outbreaks of hyperinflation.

    But those two strains hardly exhaust the range of libertarian thought.

    Also: The Road to Serfdom is an attack on the planned/command economy, not the mixed economy. Hence Skidelsky’s The Road from Serfdom is about the collapse of command economies, not leaving social democracy.

  24. Posted September 20, 2011 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    Given the personal histories of Ayn Rand (Russian Jew, left the Soviet Union in the 1925), von Mises (Galician Jew, left Austria in 1934) and Hayek (raised in Austria-Hungary, fought in WWI, left Austria in 1931), a certain apocalyptic tendency in their thinking is understandable. It would no doubt be depressing to contemplate how many of their friends, relatives and acquaintances died at the hands of the Leninists or the Nazis.

  25. Mel
    Posted September 20, 2011 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    Lorenzo, please stop defending these idiots.

  26. Patrick
    Posted September 21, 2011 at 7:19 am | Permalink

    Seems a reasonable defence to me Mel, the idiots are the people who read the first 600 pages of Atlas Shrugged and thought it was a how-to manual – hint, they are in the White House now ;)

  27. Posted September 21, 2011 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    L@27,

    Objectivists/Randians often seem like members of cult: though their ostentatious worship of reason gets us into oxymoronic territory again.

    It’s not so much the worship of reason, but the collection of convenient assumptions that become a spectre of faith. The hiding of these leaps of logic within an otherwise rational argument probably helps contribute to the cult like vigour with which the adherents defend their position. It’s probably similar to the effect the intelligent design argument has by the way it is structured to make faith appear as scientifically justified.

  28. Posted September 21, 2011 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    Religions are hardly the only form of strong belief system. Marxism…

    Didn’t last. The Cult of the State petred out an quick during the 50s. After a generation of struggle, wars, overwork etc it became gradually obvious to everyone that life under capitalism was better. God outlast the State. God is higher than the State. That’s why God lasts so long.

    The dividing line between religion or not gets particularly murky with some forms of environmentalism: either way, it is clearly a religion substitute.

    ‘Environmentalism’ is a rationalist classification that groups together a multitude of activity by people with quite disparate purposes and dispositions and associates it with the high regulation demanded by the political environmentalists.

    Much of this ‘environmentalism’ takes place far away from the political realm. In some rare cases right the way out of it. These people’s belief system does not resemble command economics believe it. These hippies don’t like paying tax.

    There are however a significant number of alpha males I’ve encountered who like the idea of a benevolent dictator. Most of them are scientists and confuse the authority of their scientific opinions with those that are merely political.

    Some elements of the Green movement are dangerous. The Sea Shepard crew for example. Some distort the political spectrum in unpredictable ways – The Greens. Some elements are the most gentle, kind and virtuous people I’ve ever met.

  29. Posted September 21, 2011 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    The Road to Serfdom is an attack on the planned/command economy, not the mixed economy.

    That’s disingenuous. Hayek is attacking Social Democracy, he re-asserting the values of laissez-faire, or rather, Adam Smith’s observation that economic liberty creates wealth. And that the wealth economic liberty created created political liberty and is necessary to maintain it. He’s reminding us of a central doctrine of old school liberalism. And he really believes this Social Democracy is a creep toward totalitarianism. Not entirely wrong either.

    There are a lot of books in the late 30s and 40s that believe socialism of some sort inevitable and fear it. Some of the most interesting are old-fashioned Burke-type conservatives. I think these may have been quite rare as the flag wavers inevitably turned fascist.

    One such Wilhelm Röpke, like Michael Oakeshott, considers Rationalism the main enemy and they have a point which is useful for anybody these days who wishes to transcends the let’s put a bucket on our head and butt each other repeatedly limits of current political discourse. On Libertarianism as a dogmatic ideology:

    …should we come into contact with one of those now rare representatives of historic Liberalism, of the laissez-faire school, we should hear what we should otherwise obtain only from out-of-date books; that Market Economy regulated by competition represents a self-dependent cosmos in no way bound to sociologico-moral conditions, a “natural order” in regard to which men have only the negative duty of clearing away all impediments out of its way. This is also a form of blundering rationalism and is alone distinguishable from collectivism in that this laissez-faire philosophy is making trouble not as Collectivism is by its immediate presence but by its fateful legacy, the world of today, a world to which that historical Liberalism so blindly and busily contributed.

    Oakeshott’s opinion of The Road To Serfdom was of the same mind. He said that as good as it is to have an ideology that does not want to plan the lives of its citizens it is still a plan not to have a plan, a political formula detached from tradition and experience. It is not Marxism no, but it is the same style of politics.

    Perhaps this is why many libertarians prefer to call themselves classical liberals. To distance themselves from the spouters who always answer difficult questions with a doctrine inspired hypothetical situation. I am regarded I suppose as a ‘progressive libertarian’ as opposed to a ‘conservative libertarian’ both distinct from ‘neolibertarians’.

    But I’m also Green in the sense that the environment is a major issue so will I be am eco-libertarian? And as such should I vote for the return of my local member or run against him? Should I run against him. (No.)

    And if I do and win what then? I write another bloody law. :)

  30. Posted September 21, 2011 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    Mel –

    His disciple Friedrich von Hayseed then gave us a millenarian text called the Road to Serfdom that says we are all rooned if the Government develops a mixed economy. Then, in a latter day testicle, The Constipation of Liberty,

    Oh yuk yuk yuk :)

    concentration camps for the aged unable to maintain themselves are likely to be the fate of an old generation whose income is entirely dependent on coercing the young.

    I wonder what happens in China starting about ten or twenty years from now?

  31. Posted September 21, 2011 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    LE – I see the embracing of certain Green ideologies as part of the pagan trend

    Yeah especially anwhere in Australia that’s warm and lush and isolated on a full moon night. Ancient rituals are reborn of Gaia’s children: doof, doof, doof….

    They use electricity to do it. :)

    Interestingly, however, some environmentalist strands have taken on millennial narratives, as well as certain puritanical traditions from Christianity.

    There’s a significant strain of neo-Christianity especially among the hard core, life- dedicated. For example: the Catholic Anarchists formally of Boundary St West End. The leader these days breaks into military bases sabotages something that kills and sits down to pray. When the MPs arrive he invites them to join him.

  32. Posted September 21, 2011 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    A@34

    I wonder what happens in China starting about ten or twenty years from now?

    Nothing: the Chinese state has no general pension obligations. As Niall Ferguson points out, the “China will get old before it gets rich” line misses the point that lots of poor old people with no pension entitlements is a not such a problem for an authoritarian regime presiding over serious economic growth.

  33. Adrien
    Posted September 21, 2011 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    I had a friend at uni who spent her last week going telling everyone she as a catholic liberal humanist. I remembering thinking maybe she thought the whole point of her studies was to discover her proper theo-political classification. I also remember awarding her high marks for asserting her unfashionable religious disposition.

    I didn’t know what I was anymore. I considered myself an anarchist but it was simply something fashionably radical that allowed me to disown the nefarious qualities of Marxism whilst opposing…. something.

    But on classifications Röpke offers:

    This is in fact our opinion and we do not mind whether for that reason we are classed among the rationalists or the romanticists. Such neat classifications are no small part of rationalism which takes a delight in labels and tickets and which regard these as adequate scientific analysis. But tickets and labels are quite immaterial to us so long as we only understand the thing itself and are agreed in the simple requirement that false thinking should corrected by thinking properly.

    Now, more or less still an ‘anarchist’ I have my most severe doubts that there is a proper thinking but I can agree that there is false thinking, or as Röpke says an inadequate amount of thinking. And I can also agree that there’s a lot of it about and it bubbles down all the way from the top.

    Ms Gillard for example confronts her unpopularity. Knows this has something to do with the ALP’s culture or structure which is pure power politics with policy developed by focus group and consequent spin, so what does she do. She launches a PR brief publicizing her ‘plan’ to reform the ALP. This plan being conjured up in a week-end. In other words she simply doesn’t get it.

    Neither did so many people when the David Hicks thing was hot. They kept citing Jihadism as a threat to our way of life thus justifying the treatment of Hicks which is a violation of it by our own government and that of the world’s oldest democracy!

    Over at Catallaxy I’ve been bemused to be the subject of hostility for criticizing Andrew Bolt as exactly the kind of spinmeister they all hate packaged in an ABC/Fairfax brand. It’s even been suggested that a Coalition government act to bankrupt Fairfax as a salvo in retaliation for the inquiry into newspapers designed to harass NewsCorp. It’s a ploy that will make things far worse for free speech but people are too caught up in the Hate to snap.

    None of us get it.

  34. Adrien
    Posted September 21, 2011 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    As Niall Ferguson points out, the “China will get old before it gets rich” line misses the point that lots of poor old people with no pension entitlements is a not such a problem for an authoritarian regime presiding over serious economic growth.

    Their ageing population problem is MASSIVE and as you say it’s not a country that protects human rights much. So concentration camps? Worse?

  35. kvd
    Posted September 21, 2011 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    None of us get it.

    Very few are modest enough to admit that, Adrien. Also, I very much agree with your Hicks comment.

  36. Posted September 21, 2011 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    A@39 They tell the children and grandchildren it is their problem. End of problem. Concentration camps are unnecessary.

    Of course, it might be pointed out that the one-child policy means not so many children to look after grandparents. True, but not operative.

  37. Posted September 21, 2011 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    I would add that the Beijing regime is looking to spruik Confucianism more. What is one of the key tenets of Confucianism? Care for one’s parents. I hardly think that this has not occurred to them.

  38. Adrien
    Posted September 21, 2011 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    I don;t know Lorenzo. Chinese families are quite tight knit traditionally but modernity has had its toll as well. I know some fairly horrific dysfunctional family stories.

    I also wonder about the legacy of the Cultural Revolution – the bond was well and truly crack’d betwixt son and father in those days. And it will the son’s generation that will be the main wave of the aging population problem in China. I’m not saying that’s necessarily significant, just that it makes me wonder.

    I don’t expect, however, that the Sino 60s generation will have the longevity of their contemporaries in the West.

  39. Posted September 21, 2011 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps this is why many libertarians prefer to call themselves classical liberals. To distance themselves from the spouters who always answer difficult questions with a doctrine inspired hypothetical situation. I am regarded I suppose as a ‘progressive libertarian’ as opposed to a ‘conservative libertarian’ both distinct from ‘neolibertarians’.

    Doesn’t this highlight the modern problem with political affiliation.Should we even talk about political philosophy? Should we perhaps instead discuss policies in the specific sense? I don’t know anymore and I’m tired of political flame throwers, the banal sound bytes, the mythological ideological battle lines. Which reminds me, I must remember to stay away from Catallaxy. They have no interest in my interests and I have lost a great deal of interest in their interests.

  40. Patrick
    Posted September 22, 2011 at 6:49 am | Permalink

    I think children’s devotion to their parents remains quite strong in China, but that is as anecdotal as anyone else’s comments here.

  41. Adrien
    Posted September 22, 2011 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    I think children’s devotion to their parents remains quite strong in China

    Not universally true. And when not true it appears to go further astray than in the West. That is likewise anecdotal.

  42. Adrien
    Posted September 24, 2011 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    Erich Fromm has a narrative largely borrowed from Marx and Weber viz the capitalist effect on Western sprituality. Capitalism frees the individual who is then alone against a material behometh with the cord that joins her to the past with its religious doctrines that explain away the pain of life.

    We have abundance and are therefore empowered to do much more with our lives than our forebears. The catch is that we are conditioned according to rational principles that queer any attempt at what has hereto manifested as ‘belief’. We have stuff and it’s not enough.Human psychic quirks that exitant in ACE1158 are still with us. We see aliens instead of demons now. The imagery is updated.

    Hence the return of Christianity in myriad forms. This return to tradition movement is bigger than Christianity however. It’s there in Judaism, again myriad forms. And likewise in Islam, where there’s a war theme. Bhuddism flourishes in the West. How this pantheism fits in with it is anyone’s guess. I have a Jewish-Muslim-Christian friend (no shit, don’t ask). He calls me half-an-atheist.

  43. Adrien
    Posted September 24, 2011 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    That’s without the chord that joins her to the past.

  44. Posted October 22, 2011 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    Since Europe is a kindler, gentler place, no concentration camps for the aged, just tax policies to stop them “wasting” housing. The intergenerational struggle over the welfare state goodies is likely to get more intense as the debt-demographic numbers get worse.

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