You call that offensive? Now THIS is offensive!

By DeusExMacintosh

The US ambassador to Libya is among four Americans killed in an attack on the US consulate in Benghazi, President Barack Obama has confirmed.

Unidentified armed men stormed the grounds overnight amid uproar among Muslims over a US-produced film said to insult the Prophet Muhammad.

They shot at buildings and threw handmade bombs into the compound. It is still unclear how the ambassador, J Christopher Stevens, and the others actually died.

Protesters against the film also attacked the US embassy in Cairo on Tuesday night.

In a statement, President Obama condemned the “outrageous attack” on the facility in Benghazi…

The film that sparked the demonstration is said to have been produced by a 52-year-old US citizen from California named Sam Bacile, and promoted by an expatriate Egyptian Copt. The two men are described as having anti-Islamic views.

A trailer of the low-budget movie, which correspondents say is highly provocative and insulting to Muslims, has appeared on YouTube translated into Arabic.

The BBC’s Richard Galpin says there are real fears that protests over the video could spread.

A demonstration in Cairo on Tuesday saw protesters breach the US embassy and tear down the US flag, which was flying at half mast to mark the 9/11 attacks. They condemned what they said was the humiliation of the Prophet of Islam under the pretext of freedom of speech.

BBC News

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UPDATE 13/09/12: Due to LE’s concerns and continuing blog harmony I will change the illustration of my point “you have something more valid to complain about”. The original may still be seen here.

WARNING: You may find it offensive because it is rude about Mohammed.

NOTICE: That doesn’t justify killing anybody.

/grump

34 Comments

  1. Posted September 13, 2012 at 6:17 am | Permalink

    It mystifies me that fanatic muslim fathers find it dishonouring that their daughters embrace western lifestyle, but are not dishonoured by becoming murderers of their own child.

    J Christopher Stevens is the name of the US Ambassador by the way, and Australia’s ambassador-designate to Libya, David Ritchie must be nervy this morning.

  2. kvd
    Posted September 13, 2012 at 6:45 am | Permalink

    Never mind that crap. What about exposing this shocking waste of ratepayers’ money: archaeologists believe they have finally found the skeleton of King Richard III, buried deep beneath a council car park

    It’s bad enough when the phone companies dig trenches across footpaths, but who was responsible for digging up a carpark just to bury a king?

  3. Posted September 13, 2012 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    You can’t be too hard on Mohammed. The old testament makes it clear that he was just following God’s lead in the perverted violent oppression of humanity.

    Having seen a few clips of the film in question on YouTube, I’m wondering if it’s the content or just the amazingly poor quality of the film that’s more offensive.

  4. Mel
    Posted September 13, 2012 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    My view is that religion is ideology and just like other ideologies, including political ideology, we should be able to say what we want about the ideas and the practitioners. Bill Clinton got a blow job from Monica Lewinsky and the Prophet Mohammed raped a 9 year old child. Neither of these things should be taboo topics.

    No doubt there’ll be reprisals against Egyptian Copts over the next few days …

  5. HeathG
    Posted September 13, 2012 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    As I posted to FB earlier today, it seems
    not all Libyan’s are quite so fantaticalI it’s good to see the more moderate followers out in public condemning the attacks.

    (Note: I have no way personally verify the authenticity of these, but these are doing the rounds of the interwebs today including reddit (which usually sniffs out rats quickly).

  6. kvd
    Posted September 13, 2012 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    [email protected] everything you say is true, except the Clinton thing is over a decade old and the M thing is, what? 1500? I know time flies when you’re having fun but don’t you think it’s maybe now time we all moved on?

    They happened; let’s just deal with it. I just can’t see the point of endless recitation/regurgitation of past despicable deeds – both of which, unfortunately, are probably not the last instances of said behavior.

  7. kvd
    Posted September 13, 2012 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    Theory #2 – it was maybe not about the movie: The attack apparently occurred because in recent days, the al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri posted a video online calling on Libyans to avenge the killing of al-Qaeda’s second in command, Abu Yahya al-Libi. source Or should that be Spin #2?

    Who cares? It’s far more important that 1500 years ago etc. etc.

  8. Posted September 13, 2012 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    The problem with letting the’raped a 9 year old’ caper pass is that it has the following effects:

    1. The life of Muhammad is considered inherently admirable in all Islamic traditions. This means that some Muslim countries set the minimum marriage age for girls at 9 or 6 (this is quite common). Some statistical outliers have no minimum marriage age for girls at all (Saudi Arabia).

    2. Various people are allowed to get away with spurious cultural comparisons. The classic one when the Aisha issue is raised is that ‘all societies allowed child marriage back in the day – look at Australia’s Aborigines’.

    3. The above is a flat lie, because of the substantive difference between ‘9 year old’ and ‘teenager’. The Byzantines (following the Romans) set the age of consent for girls at 12. Byzantium was the nearest large civilisation at the time, known to Muhammad (his, ahem, ‘distinctive’ account of the Jews seems to come via Byzantine sources). Likewise, bonking a 9 year old would have landed one’s head on a pike in pretty much every ancient civilisation from Classical Athens to Aboriginal Australia. Most societies coalesce around the Roman figure. A few made it very clear that this figure was an absolute minimum, as the Romans did. Those are the societies where the status of women is higher.

    4. The link between low status of women and low age of marriage is causal – one of the strongest causal relationships in social science. It is not (as was once thought) attributable to an age gap between the sexes (that’s only mildly correlative with low status of women). The crucial issue is the age of the woman at marriage.

    5. The day cartoonists are expected to be fair or inoffensive is the day we pack up the tent marked ‘the Enlightenment’ and go home, because we’ve lost the battle. I apply the same set of rules to, say, Larry Pickering, whose online jibes at the PM excite such irritation. I disagree with pretty much everything he says, but the people who constantly hack his site and try to take it offline have a far bigger problem than Larry Pickering.

  9. kvd
    Posted September 13, 2012 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Hope you’re taking notes LE for your next ‘interaction’ with your decent Muslim friends; and I will march down to my local IGA/service station tomorrow and confront the owners (lovely people, open 6 a.m. to 8 p.m. x 364 for over 10 years now) and berate them about the doings of their Prophet.

    Funny that – I had thought of them as people.

  10. kvd
    Posted September 13, 2012 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Meanwhile, and I do mean yesterday, my nephew went to the funeral of one of his mates from high school. But of course it’s principles, not people we are talking about.

  11. Mel
    Posted September 13, 2012 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Kvd @10,

    “and I will march down to my local IGA/service station tomorrow and confront the owners… and berate them about the doings of their Prophet.”

    If you do that you may end up with a badly battered sav rather than the hot dog you were expecting and rightly so. But such in-your-face social dickiness is not the same as a cartoon or a film that can easily be ignored.

    Kvd @11 “But of course it’s principles, not people we are talking about.”

    What are you babbling about, old swan? Please stick to the Queen’s English and leave the fermented elderberries to the swine.

  12. kvd
    Posted September 13, 2012 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Thanks Mel – I needed some grounding in reality 😉 But I confess I take little comfort from SL’s advice that in civilised countries 12 is ok, but 9 is barbaric. Having nieces and all, and with grandchildren coming through.

    Anyway what’s with this elderberries fascination of yours? You are recommending?

  13. Posted September 13, 2012 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Turns out there’s Yemeni more that want to get in on the act.

  14. Posted September 13, 2012 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    See update.

  15. Mel
    Posted September 13, 2012 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    kvd @13:

    “Anyway what’s with this elderberries fascination of yours? ”

    I’m trying to be Pythonesque.

    Good on you for showing grace under pressure, DEM. I think I love you but that may be my third glass of wine talking … 😉

  16. kvd
    Posted September 14, 2012 at 2:55 am | Permalink

    [email protected] you’re such a cheeky monkey.

  17. Conrad
    Posted September 14, 2012 at 5:15 am | Permalink

    On a lighter note: http://www.theonion.com/audio/coalition-vast-majority-of-iraqis-still-alive,12921/

  18. TerjeP
    Posted September 14, 2012 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Having carefully studied the pie chart I think it is clear that our side is winning. Yay!!! 🙁

  19. Posted September 14, 2012 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    On age of menarche and first reproduction in traditional societies:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3159136/figure/F1/

    Usually early menarche corresponds to low average adult weight, and short lifespan (the “have kids quick before you die” strategy). So … how has weight and lifespan changed in islamic lands in a millenium and a half. (Fundy moslems aren’t serious unless they don’t live excessively long compared to their prophet who died before 65. Let’s see them enforce THAT rule-by-example-of-Mohammed!)

  20. Posted September 15, 2012 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    Speaking of people wandering around naked, kvd… guess who’s back inside?

  21. kvd
    Posted September 15, 2012 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    DEM, now that’s offensive! But it makes a change from all this talk of violets, hatrid and outre rage which has been clogging upoverwhelming the blog for the past couple of days 😉

  22. Mel
    Posted September 15, 2012 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Oh joy Sydneyistan looks like Mecca. Melbournistan must be just around the corner.

    May the prophet ENJOY HIS LAMB RARE. [SOONED BY ADMIN DEM]

  23. kvd
    Posted September 15, 2012 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    [email protected] I counted 17 in the third photo, but that aside, if you’ll allow a tip from an old capitalist, make sure you get the film rights. There could be prophets to be made.

  24. Posted September 15, 2012 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, “Behead those who insult the prophet” signs again. What part of I-N-C-I-T-E-M-E-N-T can these numpties not spell?

  25. Posted September 15, 2012 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Oh boy, good stuff!

    Islamic louts snarling “we’re a peaceful religion” into TV cameras, then without drawing breath, launching in the next sentence into: “anyone who insults the prophet gets what they deserve

    This is brilliant viewing!

  26. Posted September 15, 2012 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    DEM, it seems some of them can’t even spell “assault”:

    Late in the afternoon a lone man from outside the group shouted: “Shame on you for promoting murder in the name of religion.”

    The crowd swarmed at him attacking him and sparking a second wave of violent clashes with police.

  27. Posted September 15, 2012 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Steve, I suppose you’re at least open about your support for violence in response to being offended.

  28. Posted September 15, 2012 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    Lies, damned lies and statistics. Since the pie graph sums to 100, this means

    (1) There are no NATO or Coalition military casualties except Americans.
    (2) There are no Afghan military casualties.
    (3) There are no Iraqi military casualties.
    (4) There are no insurgent casualties.

    How remarkable.

  29. Posted September 15, 2012 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    Such a lovely, peaceful religion: http://i.imgur.com/7Wnxr.jpg

    [Pic courtesy Terje Petersen].

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