Boston Manhunt Ends

By DeusExMacintosh

33 Comments

  1. kvd
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    I’m probably wrong, but I thought the point of ‘Miranda rights’ was mainly that anything obtained by the police without the ‘reading’ of same was not admissable in a court?

    Seems like a fair enough trade-off to me – if I have it right.

    Good collation DEM. Amazing how many different ‘hot’ issues have been pinned onto this event – even in just the frames you’ve included.

  2. Posted April 21, 2013 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    It’s true. The police shut down all of Boston… except the donut stores.

    http://www.popehat.com/2013/04/20/security-theater-martial-law-and-a-tale-that-trumps-every-cop-and-donut-joke-youve-ever-heard/

  3. TerjeP
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    A fantastic collage of events and sequences. The only think missing is the timing and substance of the lockdown. When did it happen and what powers were evoked to make it happen? Was it enforceable and was it enforced?

  4. Posted April 21, 2013 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    It was the awkward juxtaposition of the Presidents statement on the over-equipped manhunt with the “now is the time to do something about gun violence” link/graphic on the White House website that did it for me.

  5. Posted April 21, 2013 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    Isn’t Boston the only Catholic majority city in the US? So easy to make something of that …

  6. Darren
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    I’m confused by the implication that it was just the Boston PD with all that military gear… The response was joined by military police and federal forces, which explains a lot of the military kit.

  7. Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:27 am | Permalink

    And State Police as well, Darren. Everyone was out in their Sunday best, so-to-speak. (What’s the motto on that t-shirt? “ATF: Should be a convenience store, not a federal authority.”)

  8. Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:25 am | Permalink

    Isn’t Boston the only Catholic majority city in the US?

    And bugger all mention of Islam or the fact that these blokes were Moslem.

  9. Mel
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    Henry,

    I’m surprised that a man of your talents would have missed the first panel mentioning the older brother was a devout Muslim. Did you also miss the reference to Chechen terrorism?

  10. Posted April 22, 2013 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    Mel,
    On reviewing online dictionary meanings of ‘bugger-all’ I can see where we are at cross purposes. Only a couple of them define it as very little or nothing which was the sense I used … very little.
    The rest define it as nothing at all, the sense you took me to mean. I’m sorry that you misunderstood me.
    My statement of #10 still stands.

    One bloke is listed as Muslim in his profile as you said and I thought that Chechen terrorists were principally separatist prior to this event.

    Folks, surely there is an elephant in this room!!??

  11. Mel
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Henry2:

    “Folks, surely there is an elephant in this room!!??”

    Nope, that is a crooked old man with liver spots in a bulging trenchcoat.

    And what LE says.

    ps. do you remember when your hero, Andrew Bolt, cried wolf Muslim after the Norwegian massacre?

  12. Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    Mel this is Bolts first blog after the Breivik massacre.
    I took this from it

    Already the unconfirmed reports suggest our immediate suspicions are correct (UPDATE: No, they aren’t), although the shooter’s appearance tells us to still be cautious about our conclusions:

    Abu Suleiman al-Nasser, an Islamist with links to Al-Qaeda and other Islamic extremist groups, has claimed responsibility for today’s bomb in Oslo.

    The ‘Helpers of Global Jihad’ group, of which al-Nasser is a member, made the claims in an email circular issued to various sources. The group does not appear to have any past history.

    It is thought that the bombings are a belated response to Norwegian newspapers and magazines republishing cartoons of Mohammed originally published by Jyllands-Posten of Denmark…

    Knut Storberget, Norway’s Minister of Justice confirms this evening the arrested shooter, who is believed to have carried several guns, is a Norwegian.

    More on that shooter:

    Police said the gunman, described by witnesses as tall and blond, had been arrested.

    UPDATE

    In fact:

    “Explosives were found on the island,” deputy Oslo police chief Sveining Sponheim told reporters. He said a man detained by police was aged 32 and ”ethnic Norwegian.”

    (UPDATE: i’ve removed here an excerpt from the first report I linked to spelling out the earlier Islamic threats and attacks that led many, including the Guardian and New York Times, to initially suspect an Islamic attack. I had left it up so as to explain the context of my original reaction, and so not to seem I was trying to cover up my original suspicions. Now I find that leaving it up is being interpreted as my insisting on a gratuitous point instead.)

    Yes, you are right that Bolts immediate suspicions were that the culprit was Moslem, but I gather this was based on reports from other sources. He very soon corrects himself when the evidence proves otherwise.

  13. Mel
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    Henry2:

    I remember that thread very well. The point is that you should not make assumptions. It is no excuse that Bolt joined a conga line of assumption makers but wasn’t the first in line.

    You’ve joined a similar conga line and irrespective of the outcome of investigations, you’re being a small-headed man. Trial by blog is not a noble act and a man of your vintage should set a better example.

  14. Posted April 23, 2013 at 6:23 am | Permalink

    [email protected] I was referring to the lockdown which, as one of the commentators linked to pointed out, cities suffering much bigger terrorist attacks did not feel the need for.

  15. Posted April 23, 2013 at 6:25 am | Permalink

    [email protected] Chechen separatism has evolved. The longer the struggle as gone on, the more jihadised it has become.

  16. Posted April 23, 2013 at 7:18 am | Permalink

    I guess you still end up dead, whether the bomber is from deep Saud or someone new to the faith radicalised by extremists to fill the void.

    This article by Alexander Downer is definitely worth reading on the subject.

  17. Posted April 23, 2013 at 7:53 am | Permalink

    Muslim will do it for me.
    Many years ago, when all the (modern equivalent of) tie-dye wearing hippies & gullible young bints barely knew how to spell “Islam” I was rather a defender of the faith.
    In one (*ahem* very late at night) incident, I strenuously defended Islam when a school headmaster vigorously pressed the case that the entire religion should be exterminated.
    My ardour for sticking up for the Islamic faith has now cooled, a helluva lot.

  18. Posted April 23, 2013 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    Muslim will do it for me = the brothers Tsarnaev are first & foremost muslims.
    1) Muslim.
    2) Chechen
    3) Young males
    4) Violent thugs
    5) refugees
    6) Left wingers
    7) Uni students
    8) Naturalised American citizens

  19. Adrien
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    Muslim will do it for me = the brothers Tsarnaev are first & foremost muslims.

    I reckon your number #4 is obviously the first and foremost.

    There is something that should be said about the way the media have treated this. It was widely reported as a terrorist threat before there was any solid information confirming this; Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was declared guilty the moment he was arrested.

    I’m not defending Tsarnaev I’m just pointing out something about media responses to such sensational cases and their capacity to make the execution of justice according to the rule of law more difficult. Lindy Chamberlain was cause for such a circus back in the day. She was not guilty. And I remember that case and people howling down anyone who spruiked the ‘wishy-washy’ liberal line about fair trials.

    The Meeja, ethically it’s kinda shaky.

  20. Mel
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    SATP @21:

    Same here. I remember hearing a story about Oz indig persons converting to Islam 25 or so years ago and thinking maybe that was a good thing. Not so sure now …

  21. Posted April 23, 2013 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    [email protected], [email protected] Clearly, we have to get more young Muslims into D&D, Forgotten Realms and reading about Drow.

  22. Adrien
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    I went to the State Library yesterday, thinking about the religious hostility that seems to be blooming everywhere like a weed with a deceptively flower.

    What do I see? Two enormous phrases being installed on the walls in Arabic: On one side the phrase is “It is life.’ On the other it’s “Full of love”. Modern democracies rock.

    James Gleick related the following:

    During the drama of the Boston manhunt and car chase, it never occurred to me to turn on the TV. The screen I needed was on my iPhone, where I followed the tweets of newspaper reporters running through the streets of Boston and Cambridge residents listening to gunfire in real-time. The Internet is messy, pointillist, noisy, often wrong. But if you had a visceral need for instantaneity, TV couldn’t compete.

    “Reporters doing TV news in real-time are an oxymoron: You can’t gather news and present it at the same time. Part of newsgathering is the gathering part.

    “People on Twitter were crowing about how superior Twitter is to old media. What they meant was, ‘See, we’re faster than TV.’

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/24/opinion/dowd-lost-in-space.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

  23. kvd
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    [email protected] there’s also a theory floating around about brain damage to the older son thru boxing. Who knows – at this stage?

    Regarding your ‘lack of ability to face up’ comment; I hope I never have to face any such trauma; but I think I’d probably refuse to face up to the situation myself – just to preserve my own sanity. It’s normal, surely, in the first instance, to retreat from any sense of ‘facilitating’ guilt?

    Maybe later when the lights and cameras and microphones leave them alone they will think about their role?

  24. Posted April 25, 2013 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    [email protected] I wasn’t offering any guarantees 🙂

    I just like the essay.

  25. Posted May 6, 2013 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

  26. Posted May 19, 2013 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    LE @ 13
    Henry 2, personally I’d prefer to wait until we know more about the motivation of the surviving bomber.

    From here

    retribution for the US crimes against Muslims in places like Iraq and Afghanistan; that the victims of the Boston bombing were ‘collateral damage

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