By Lorenzo

Does this count as food p0rn?

One of the joys of travelling around Venezia in particular was the plentiful gelati outlets, with a wide variety in flavours. A couple of scoops could be both a new taste treat and a sugar boost to fuel the pleasurable ambling.

This is also the Saturday chit-chat thread.



  1. JC
    Posted July 1, 2012 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    JC I’m off to bed so this will be brief.

    You promised earlier and you either didn’t go like you promised or you got up. So which is it out of curiosity.

    I do not ‘support their policies’ if I arrive at a conclusion from my own reading and thought, without one scintilla of published policy from the Liberal Party. It is a fortunate accident from your point of view.

    Okay, have it your way then. You don’t support their policies or whatever. I think you’re a little confused here. Repeal of the tax on da carbon is their policy (as an example.)

    Sorry I raised Alan Jones. I thought your comment about “we have a joke …. We call it ‘Hialan’… ” was based on personal knowledge – not just the mindless repeating of someone else’s cleverness.

    I’ll pass on responding to this one.

    Which get’s us back to Mr Abbott, and the complete absence of settled party policy as far as I can see. I think I’ve asked politely twice for an alternate reference?

    Look Kvd, the time when the two major political parties present their policies is around campaign time for the most part. That’s when it all comes together. It’s what Labor did in 07 and what I would expect the Libs to do next year or hopefully earlier.
    I really don’t understand your impatience being a conservative and all. The opposition has the advantage of being 10 to 12 points ahead, so why on earth do they need to put forward their policies earlier and has the minority government do a Keating on them, or run that risk? No need. Just wait,

    Anyway. Off to bed.

    Is that a promise?

    Let me know if you can deduce from where you’ve been indoctrinated with the glib lines.

    Lol. Glibness? That’s really insulting, no? You came up with a list of 10 platitudes posing as policy and you’re now bent out of shape because I called them what they were for the most part. That’s not being glib. That’s being upfront and honest.

  2. Posted July 2, 2012 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    [email protected] – I’m with [email protected]
    I don’t think they are platitudes – things like parliament reigning in executive power is measurable.
    Now – you have me on the left, kvd and sl to the right of me (most people are) in agreement about the list (and the problems of 8 and 9), so it’s a wonder the more self-styled centrists in parliaments can’t get with the program. Oh, no, it’s not.

    [email protected]: On behalf of the Centipedes Solidarity League – grossly offended by your remarks. Frankly, that Conroy is on the ALP ticket is as good a diagnostic you could get of cancer in the ALP machine.

  3. JC
    Posted July 2, 2012 at 9:24 am | Permalink


    This is my line by line analysis.

    1. Government: Restoration of Parliament as the supreme representative body for the will of the people. Not the Executive. Not Alan Jones.

    Platitude. Unworkable nonsense. It basically suggests the end of party politics, which is simply not going to happen. You would also end up with liars or poisonous lunatics such as Wilke, Oakeshitt or the old lezzo, Tony Windsor. Now this system could work with sortition, but not without it.

    2. Taxation: Replace ‘income tax’ with an increase in the GST – and remove the various ‘exemptions’, so that no ”s are needed.

    Pretty decent. But then we’ve been pushing this at the Cat for ages. Nothing new. that’s about the only specific policy.

    3. Laws: Recognition of a citizen’s right to full protection of our government when overseas; recognition of the High Court as the final arbiter.

    Whatever. Don’t understand the nonsense about the High Court. I don’t want unelected officials arbitrating anything. Their job is to interpret the Constitution.

    4. Defence/Foreign Affairs: walk softly, eschewing all deputy badges. Study geography. Value the foot soldiers you place in harm’s way. Define their roles, give them guns, honour their dead.

    Ok. whatever.

    5. Health and Welfare: acknowledge we all need it, so make it the best it can be, before I need it.

    Platitude. Means nothing

    6. Education: more hard science, less ‘faff’. More research, particularly medicine, genetics, computers.

    Who pays for it?

    7. Infrastructure: fix what is before any ‘grand plans’


    8. Welfare: no idea – but what little we do is an embarrassment.

    Mentioned earlier… 60% of out budget is welfare. He wants more? WTF?

    9. Indigenous Affairs: see 8, see 8, see 8

    Here’s a novel idea. Don’t treat people as racial groups and we all get equal protection under the law. Enough with special welfare for aboriginals. We all receive equal treatment.

    10. Personal Freedom/Free Speech: anything goes, as long as it’s not on my patch, and I’m not forced to watch/listen.

    S/he doesn’t believe in free speech. Free speech has really free equivocations.

  4. Mel
    Posted July 2, 2012 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    JC @45:

    “What social conservative policies would they be, SL.”

    The Howard Government wanted to subject all indigenous children to compulsory anal and genital examinations as part of the NT intervention. The only reason this didn’t happen is doctors refused to take part in the scheme.

    Tony Abbott was the Health Minister at the time.

    An increase in the price of ciggies, back by the coalition btw, pales in comparison. This really is social conservatism on steroids.

    It is also worth noting that the only support in the blogosphere for compulsory anogenital examinations came from those old Catallaxan stalwarts, Currency Lad and Rafe Champion.

    Can we be certain that the perverse oddball Tony Abbott will not attempt to reinstigate a program of medicalised rape for indigenous minors?

  5. JC
    Posted July 2, 2012 at 10:34 am | Permalink


    I never really got into the aboriginal kiddies thing back in 07 or whenever it was. Now please correct what I’m getting wrong.

    The Howard government received a report that kiddie rape and treatment was going on in epidemic proportions in isolated areas. If this is true the government had not only a right but a duty to check it out, unless of course you think legal protections don’t apply to aboriginal minors. The current government has basically continued on with those same polices pretty much as far as I can tell.

    Now welfare carries a whole different set of rules. The government is perfectly entitled to lay down harsh conditions to obtain it. Don’t like it? Don’t show up at Centrelink.

    An increase in the price of ciggies, back by the coalition btw, pales in comparison. This really is social conservatism on steroids.

    You mean the Howard government raised excise at a predetermined formula over 11 years, which the current minority government has exceeded in 5. Who knew there was a difference between 5 and 11 until now? I didn’t.

    1. Alcopops

    2. Huge increase in sin taxes

    3. Plain packaging

    4. Attempt to ban small breasts in pics and TV ( no kidding).

    5. mandatory internet filter.

    There’s no one quite like morals complainer Fraulein von Roxon and Benito Conroy for the past 30 years. You have to be doing loads of smack to suggest otherwise.

  6. kvd
    Posted July 2, 2012 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    [email protected] I’m beginning to be suspicious of any incontrovertible fact(oid) from you. For instance, you’ve now quoted a few times a figure of “60% spent on welfare” and yet:

    The Australian Government spends 59% of its budget, or $222b, on social measures. This includes 35% or $131.6b on social security and welfare, 16% or $61b on health and 8% or $21.6b on education

    I got this from the budget summary provided by ACOSS – one of your favourite organisations, I’m sure 😉 – but the point is what most people would term ‘welfare’ accounts for 35%. To get to your figure from the sky you need to add in both education and health.

    Now I’ve said I’m all for civil discussion, but the other thing I appreciate is being presented with facts that I do not have to externally check. Surely that is reasonable?

  7. Mel
    Posted July 2, 2012 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    JC @55

    “The Howard government received a report that kiddie rape and treatment was going on in epidemic proportions in isolated areas.”

    Did they? Tell us all about, Joey.

  8. JC
    Posted July 2, 2012 at 11:23 am | Permalink


    The 60% is “social spending”. I don’t see a huge difference in the terms used to describe it. I think you’re making a mountain out of a silicon speck here.

    I presume that by taking out healthcare and ed you don’t consider that is government spending?

    How was the sleep by the way? Just get up?

  9. Mel
    Posted July 2, 2012 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    The Hawke-Keating Governments permitted audiovisual Golden Showers.

    Nanny Howard and Nanny Abbott banned Golden Showers.

  10. JC
    Posted July 2, 2012 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Nanny Howard and Nanny Abbott banned Golden Showers.

    Well then I can understand you’d be shocked and chagrined by that action Mel.

    How did you feel about the attempt to ban small sized breasts by Benito Conroy?

  11. Mel
    Posted July 2, 2012 at 11:41 am | Permalink


    “How did you feel about the attempt to ban small sized breasts by Benito Conroy?”

    Well then I can understand you’d be shocked and chagrined by that action JC.

  12. Mel
    Posted July 2, 2012 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    [email protected]:

    SL raised the issue of social conservatism in the Liberal Party.

    How could one ever forget this little episode in 2000:

    A porn view evening held in the Nationals’ party room, was attended by 17 Nationals and members of the fundamentalist Christian Liberal faction, the Lyons Forum (SMH, 8 Mar 2000) and they were shocked. Senator Brian Harradine had lent National Party MP De-Anne Kelly seven allegedly X-rated videos, including ‘Black She-Men’, ‘My Life as a She-Male in the FBI’, ‘Max Going South’, ‘Buck’s Transsexual Adventures’, and ‘Backdoor Black Volume One’.

    Unfortunately the ALP has an infestation of Catholic Right types that also makes it socially conservative from time to time.

  13. Posted July 3, 2012 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    Okay, I’m sold on Gelati.
    I’ll just pop around to the nearest Gelati shop & get some 😉

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